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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
falconosu;1711624; said:
1. sounds like the Big 10 wants Texas -- alone. There's no way the conference will accept Oklahoma's academic record and their recruiting practices, let alone T-Bone Pickens' O(kie)SU program.
2. Not hearing much about ND. Sign them to football and the Big East remains a viable conference and gets the East Coast TV market. And frankly why wouldn't ND want that? The only program that could hang with them on a long term basis would be WVU. They'd be BCS bowl eligible in a heartbeat. Sign them to the Big 10 and they're going to have more problems with the Council of American Bishops re:academic freedom, grad program status and athletically they start out struggling with Iowa and Wisconsin for a niche in football.
Personally, I feel like anything more than Texas and ND or Texas and Tex A&M is overkill that will do more to destroy the feeling of "Big Ten" diluting rivalries across the board.
Further, it seems unprofessional to drag this thing out, especially in secrecy. The conference comes off as a rich bully in a soap, stirring up problems and creating intrigues by dangling money in front of people. If the conference had it's priorities in order it should have been able to make a proposal, float it and either accept or retract without any of it going public.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
I haven't read anything that would lead me to think that Nebraska is not interesting to the Big Ten. The Dispatch article makes it sound like Texas Tech, not aTm, may be the real sticking point in bringing Tejas to our league.cincibuck;1711641; said:
Big Ten expansion: E-mails hint eyes are upon Texas | BuckeyeXtra
By the way, it's becoming increasingly evident that DeLoss Dodds (the one with the discouraging words relative to the possible future of UT in the B11) is not the one whose hands are on the wheel in Austin when it comes to conference realignment. Rather, UT President William Powers holds the keys. At the end of the day, the rest of the Big Ten may well owe a huge debt of gratitude to Gordon Gee - as he's the one who is the most important suitor for the hand of the Longhorns.
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TheIronColonel
Hall of Fame
Texas, ND, Nebraska would be a hell of a great haul. Those are three franchise names in CFB and would certainly help the Big XI brand.
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OSU_D/
COYBIG, COYG
ORD_Buckeye;1711598; said:
I would agree only if Texas is allowed to move independently of other schools such as TT. But if the "Tech problem" prohibits the Big 10 presidents from taking Texas then there was nothing Jim could have done.
If we can't get Texas, or the Texas and A&M if we have to, I'd rather just go east cost: GT, Maryland and some others.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
I posted this on another site but since we're all Buckeyes we are naturally the smartest of all breeds so I'd like to hear what you think. This was based off of what other conference guys expected to happen as well as myself.
Here are my early predictions.........
Big Ten adds Texas, Missouri, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Rutgers.
Why? Texas sees the Big 12 is going to get picked apart, and the money making school of NCAA should go with the money making conference. ND's ego is soothed by having Texas join and they can save face with that. Texas gets their Big 12 counterparts to ease that, and Rutgers adds the NJ/East Coast market they want which helps PSU out.
Pac 10 adds Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas, Utah.
Why? Expands into the Great Plains and adds a nice mix of football and basketball schools. The Kansas and Utah additions are the next up after the others headed to the Big Ten. They'd like A&M but they'll be headed elsewhere......
SEC adds Texas A&M, Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson.
Why? I know some feel Miami should be a fit, and maybe they would be but I think this mix of teams is the broadest land grab for them. Texas A&M is their first choice though even over FSU based on the huge Texas market. They'll be highly courted which will make it easier for them to give up their connection to UT.
ACC adds Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Cinci, USF, WVU, UConn, and Louisville.
Why? After their losses to the SEC, they rebound by adding what is left of the Big East. This makes them the basketball conference and expands them a little further inland. Both conferences merging makes for the easiest of transitions. Huge, huge basketball conference, wowza.
Big East and the Big 12 are put to rest.
Schools such as Baylor, Kansas State and Iowa State are left thinking.......oh boy. Probably left to join another conference such as the MWC and soothed by that conference getting an automatic BCS berth.
BCS would be all for this, that's one less automatic berth to deal with allowing for the biggest programs to get in.
Here are my early predictions.........
Big Ten adds Texas, Missouri, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Rutgers.
Why? Texas sees the Big 12 is going to get picked apart, and the money making school of NCAA should go with the money making conference. ND's ego is soothed by having Texas join and they can save face with that. Texas gets their Big 12 counterparts to ease that, and Rutgers adds the NJ/East Coast market they want which helps PSU out.
Pac 10 adds Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas, Utah.
Why? Expands into the Great Plains and adds a nice mix of football and basketball schools. The Kansas and Utah additions are the next up after the others headed to the Big Ten. They'd like A&M but they'll be headed elsewhere......
SEC adds Texas A&M, Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson.
Why? I know some feel Miami should be a fit, and maybe they would be but I think this mix of teams is the broadest land grab for them. Texas A&M is their first choice though even over FSU based on the huge Texas market. They'll be highly courted which will make it easier for them to give up their connection to UT.
ACC adds Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Cinci, USF, WVU, UConn, and Louisville.
Why? After their losses to the SEC, they rebound by adding what is left of the Big East. This makes them the basketball conference and expands them a little further inland. Both conferences merging makes for the easiest of transitions. Huge, huge basketball conference, wowza.
Big East and the Big 12 are put to rest.
Schools such as Baylor, Kansas State and Iowa State are left thinking.......oh boy. Probably left to join another conference such as the MWC and soothed by that conference getting an automatic BCS berth.
BCS would be all for this, that's one less automatic berth to deal with allowing for the biggest programs to get in.
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kn1f3party
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KingLeon;1711779; said:
This. Especially since we had the best cards without ever playing our hand!
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kn1f3party
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bigdog3300;1711783; said:
I don't think Texas cares at all what happens to their Big XII counterparts. There is a high possibility Texas is tied down to one or both of Tech and A&M. So getting just Texas without one or both of the others doesn't seem probable at this point. I think we've forgotten about Rutgers and the only way I see us taking Missouri and Nebraska is if it somehow involves Texas. I just don't think we're particularly strong here.
bigdog3300;1711783; said:
Don't see this either. OU, OSU, and Tech just don't fit in to the Pac-10. The only way the Pac-10 invites them and approves them is if they bring Texas. KU, Colorado, and Utah seem probable though.
bigdog3300;1711783; said:
Most likely, you can also put Miami, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State on that list as candidates.
bigdog3300;1711783; said:
Don't see the ACC adding that many. What seems more likely is a new conference emerges. Teams like Iowa State will consider FCS in football, keeping basketball I-A.
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ORD_Buckeye;1711576; said:
You know, the more this drags on, the more I'm beginning to think the academic side of the house really doesn't matter much in the process.
The situation is illogical at best, therefore applying a logical outlook to the situation is, well, illogical.
I would not be shocked to see Texas in the Pac-10 anymore. Earlier on I thought it was a long shot, but the longer this goes, the better the chances of the Big 10 striking out/Delaney fucking this up become.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
I think the ACC wouldn't mind staying just the way they are -- a look at what has happened to South Carolina football is enough to let them be happy with 35K stadiums and something to get the kids fired up for B-ball season. They're a pretty strong group of schools in the classroom also with Duke, UNC, UVA, Wake Forest and a fast improving Maryland. I don't think Clemson wants a steady diet of SEC games and I don't think the loss of FSU would break any hearts. In fact maybe they swap FSU with its football mentality with Vandy with it's good b-ball and strong academics.
Personally, I'd be happy with just two more schools in the Big 10. ND brings the East Coast market and they already play three games in conference, but beyond that no one really adds to the "Big 10 feel" of the conference. Texas would diminish the rivalry with Michigan very quickly and in a way that adding Penn State did not. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Personally, I'd be happy with just two more schools in the Big 10. ND brings the East Coast market and they already play three games in conference, but beyond that no one really adds to the "Big 10 feel" of the conference. Texas would diminish the rivalry with Michigan very quickly and in a way that adding Penn State did not. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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