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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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Mizzou, Nebraska, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt just doesn't make sense to me.

  • Mizzou brings nothing to the table: no TV market, no "stellar" sports in recent history
  • Rutgers brings the NJ TV market and solid women's Bball. Football has been good lately, but in a weak conference (see Rodriguez, Rich).
  • Syracuse is a basketball school, questionable TV market
  • Pitt is an OK football school (in a weak conference), a better basketball school, and doesn't help with a TV market (although it locks down Pennsylvania)
  • Nebraska has football, womens volleyball, baseball on occasion. But no TV market (although you could argue that the Huskers are as much of a national team as ND, especially with a rabid alumni base).
Not sure how this would help "the brand", especially since it would probably push Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC with two others from the Big 12 South.
 
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MaliBuckeye;1698459; said:
Mizzou, Nebraska, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt just doesn't make sense to me.

  • Mizzou brings nothing to the table: no TV market, no "stellar" sports in recent history
  • Rutgers brings the NJ TV market and solid women's Bball. Football has been good lately, but in a weak conference (see Rodriguez, Rich).
  • Syracuse is a basketball school, questionable TV market
  • Pitt is an OK football school (in a weak conference), a better basketball school, and doesn't help with a TV market (although it locks down Pennsylvania)
  • Nebraska has football, womens volleyball, baseball on occasion. But no TV market (although you could argue that the Huskers are as much of a national team as ND, especially with a rabid alumni base).
Not sure how this would help "the brand", especially since it would probably push Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC with two others from the Big 12 South.
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I'm with you. Its been touched on before but any expansion that doesn't include Texas or ND is a colossal fail. You might as well have just added a couple of MAC teams if all you wanted was a fucking B10 CCG.
 
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MaliBuckeye;1698459; said:
Mizzou, Nebraska, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt just doesn't make sense to me.

  • Mizzou brings nothing to the table: no TV market, no "stellar" sports in recent history...I guess you've never heard of St.Louis and Kansas City. And please, St.Louis is not an Illinois market...not even close.
  • Rutgers brings the NJ TV market and solid women's Bball. Football has been good lately, but in a weak conference (see Rodriguez, Rich). I too am not thrilled by Rutgers, but the potential is there to be a strong FB program even in the BigTen. The amount of talent in NJ is impressive....and this would probably hurt Penn State recruiting some. Imagine the BTT being played at Madison Square Garden.
  • Syracuse is a basketball school, questionable TV market...the TV market includes NYC. There is a lot of SU following there...add in the entire rest of New York State...that's more TV sets than you think.
  • Pitt is an OK football school (in a weak conference), a better basketball school, and doesn't help with a TV market (although it locks down Pennsylvania)...agree
  • Nebraska has football, womens volleyball, baseball on occasion. But no TV market (although you could argue that the Huskers are as much of a national team as ND, especially with a rabid alumni base). Nebraska is THE football team of the entire Great Plains....Dakotas, Nebraska, Western Iowa.....granted, that may not be a whole lot, but it isn't chopped liver. I agree that the appeal of Nebraska is the national following...which grow ridiculously if they return to their status as a perennial ass kicker
Not sure how this would help "the brand", especially since it would probably push Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC with two others from the Big 12 South.
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I agree with you remarks on Texas/Oklahoma into the SEC. If they do that, then there is no way the BigTen can compete against that...in football. But where does that leave Kansas, K-State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Iowa State ? I don't have an answer, other than to say that I think the BigTen has a shot at picking up Kansas instead of Pitt....I would jump at that chance if I were Delaney.
 
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Regarding the timing of any new teams joining the Big Ten. Even if it happens in fairly soon, it probably wouldn't take effect until the 2012 football season.

IndyStar

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If schools leave the Big East, they must pay $5 million and give a 27-month notice. If a school leaves the Big 12, it must give a two-year notice, or forfeit league-generated revenue in a ratio based on the length of notice given.

Financial penalties could be almost irrelevant. With the Big Ten Network, Big Ten schools receive more television revenue than do schools in the Big East or Big 12. Missouri football coach Gary Pinkel told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch the difference is $11 million more per year per school between the Big Ten schools and Big 12.

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computerji;1698500; said:
From a geographic standpoint, Texas makes no sense. Mainly for the non-revenue sports. I really can't see that happening.
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Assuming this is true, where do you put them?

A lot of people say the Pac 10 - Austin to Seattle = 1764 Miles

Compare: Austin to State College = 1325

Texas to the SEC might be the best fit geographically. If The Big Ten doesn't get Texas, and the SEC makes a move (and they will) I can't see them passing up Tejas. I'd hate to have to hate Texas for joining the SEC. :(
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1698505; said:
Assuming this is true, where do you put them?

A lot of people say the Pac 10 - Austin to Seattle = 1764 Miles

Compare: Austin to State College = 1325

Texas to the SEC might be the best fit geographically. If The Big Ten doesn't get Texas, and the SEC makes a move (and they will) I can't see them passing up Tejas. I'd hate to have to hate Texas for joining the SEC. :(
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Missouri football coach Gary Pinkel told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch the difference is $11 million more per year per school between the Big Ten schools and Big 12.
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That's not chump change, even for a school like Texas. If the Big Ten asks them and they decline, that's one thing. But if they never asked Texas, that's a serious oversight.

EDIT: And, I should add, it's exactly what I expect out of Delaney too. There's no way he's going to get it right in regards to Texas.
 
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computerji;1698500; said:
From a geographic standpoint, Texas makes no sense. Mainly for the non-revenue sports. I really can't see that happening.
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Follow the thread, or read Frank The Tank. In a nutshell (1) non-revenue sports generally don't have protracted home/away schedules like basketball and football, they have meets. And (2) travel costs would be as cheap or cheaper as they are for about half of the existing Big XII schools. As it is, the only places UT can get to by bus are College Station and Waco. Lubbock is still 400 miles and over 7 hours away by land. Once you pay to get on a plane, the distance travelled is largely irrelevent. The price is set by the frequency of the route. It would actually be easier for UT teams and fans to get to every Big Ten school other than Penn St than for them to get to places like Manhattan and Lawrence KS.

If Texas to the Pac 10 is in play, then Texas to the Big 10 makes even more sense. It's a lot easier to get from Austin to Ann Arbor than it is to get from Austin to Pullman, and Austin is already in the time zone as half the conference. No way Texas wants to play on Pacific Time.
 
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Follow the thread, or read Frank The Tank. In a nutshell (1) non-revenue sports generally don't have protracted home/away schedules like basketball and football, they have meets. And (2) travel costs would be as cheap or cheaper as they are for about half of the existing Big XII schools. As it is, the only places UT can get to by bus are College Station and Waco. Lubbock is still 400 miles and over 7 hours away by land. Once you pay to get on a plane, the distance travelled is largely irrelevent. The price is set by the frequency of the route. It would actually be easier for UT teams and fans to get to every Big Ten school other than Penn St than for them to get to places like Manhattan and Lawrence KS.
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Plus they would likely be in the division opposite of PSU.

28.5% chance = 2 cross-divisional games per yr / 7 teams in other division

28.5% / 2 (home or away) = 14%

14% x 10 = 1 or 2 trips to Happy Valley every decade.
 
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ESPN Radio
From the Scott Van Pelt Show:
Pat Forde and Bruce Feldman discuss conference expansion in college sports. How could the Big Ten impact the rest of the NCAA? Forde and Feldman look at the wildest scenarios, the importance of tradition and much more.
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Not much new said here on the Big Ten front, but they do make some interesting points about the SEC. They see the SEC adding Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, and Clemson, which makes total sense. The biggest obstacle could be Florida's refusal to let the other 2 Florida schools into the SEC. But to me that brings up an interesting point for the Big Ten.

At that point the ACC would be wobbling. Aren't a lot of the schools in the ACC more appealing than the schools that have been discussed? Maryland and the DC market? Virginia and Virginia Tech? Also takes a chunk of the DC market and brings stellar academics and a top notch football team?

How about Boston College? I know it's not an AAU school, but it's certainly a very good school academically and the Boston market is sizable as well, although similar to NY in that college athletics take a distant backseat to professional. In terms of academics, all of these schools are better academically than any of the other schools mentioned, Texas and Notre Dame aside.
 
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