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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
Gatorubet;1693017; said:
We were below the Big-10??? Really??

I had no idea!

(perhaps before football started in 1990?????? :p)

FWIW, Missouri, A&M, Texas, Rutgers and Syracuse would all be AAU members with various other things to bring to the table. If you go big, this is my guess.

Plus, you get to fuck the Irish out of the big $$. :banger:

jwins got to it *edit*

The Irish are arrogant... but prehaps not insanely dumb. If the Big 10 goes to 16 without them, other leagues go to 16, and they are in some Big East-ACC conglomerate they know they will have missed out on revenue both in athletics and academics.

Substitute ND for any of those schools on your list outside of UT and I would be pleased.
 
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No way does Texas go to the SEC--not in this decade at least. The SEC has less to offer them than both the PAC 10 and Big 10. Texas is not going to even date a conference that will make it look bad. Football may be king to the fans, but it is supplemental to the big picture of the university presidents.
 
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Interesting blog post, from the TV perspective

The Value of Expansion Candidates to the Big Ten Network

At $0.36 per month for 26,000,000 households over 12 months I only came up with $112,320,000 for a cable carry rate. Well short of the $272,000,000 that the network likely made last year. The other $160,000,000 is advertising revenue! Live sporting events get big advertising dollars and the BTN is loaded with them.

Seems to strengthen the argument of Pitt and Nebraska in the 16-team mix.
 
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CleveBucks;1693076; said:
Interesting blog post, from the TV perspective

The Value of Expansion Candidates to the Big Ten Network



Seems to strengthen the argument of Pitt and Nebraska in the 16-team mix.

VERY Interesting...

It also seems to strengthen the argument that Notre Dame or Texas does not need to be involved to make expansion work (financially). While we focused on counting subscribers, thinking that was the big key, it was the advertising!
 
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Piney;1693140; said:
VERY Interesting...

It also seems to strengthen the argument that Notre Dameor Texas does not need to be involved to make expansion work (financially). While we focused on counting subscribers, thinking that was the big key, it was the advertising!

They may not NEED it... but looking at one individual's proposed revenue addition chart, UT has a 50% increase over school #2.
CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
 
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OSU_D/;1692926; said:
Just for the fun of it... my current dream for the Big 10 which I know won't come to fruition

Toronto - seriously. They could probably participate in most sports immediately. Then bring them along through FCS and then FBS football

We could do this the same mature, intelligent way Major League baseball did...

When Toronto plays in the US they play by US rules. When they play at home it's CFL rules. BB73 can set up a bet on which Buckeye punter will be the first to score a rouge. Oh, and don't forget that Canadian Schools are based on a K - 13 system, so a high school senior is 18 - 19 years old, making him a college freshman down here.
 
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jwinslow;1692293; said:
If you can move to 14, it should be about the same to grab 16, and that would let them gamble on Rutgers or Syracuse.

Virginia and Texas don't fit the academics or culture of the sec.

Oklahoma & Florida St do.

I'd say the opposite is true for those teams and the big ten.

My guess is that the ACC is quite content with its current line up, basketball comes firstas their money maker and football gives the alums something to do until November. Academically they're one of the stronger conferences in the nation with Duke, UNC, Virginia and Wake Forest. If they could grab Vandy it would be even stronger -- and why Vandy chooses to remain in the SEC is a source of constant wonder other than their S&M need for the annual "rivalry game" with Tennessee.

Florida State probably wants nothing to do with the SEC. I actually think their AD is one of the smartest men in college football today to have put them in the ACC improves their academics and all but assures an annual shot at a BCS bowl game.
 
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College Conferences Ponder Expansion, and Their Extinction

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For universities, the talk is driven by a never-ending search for more revenue. For fans, a new alignment could mean not only the end of some longtime rivalries but also the creation of new annual matchups, some appealing and some not.
One thing is clear this week: the subject will dominate the B.C.S. meetings.
?I don?t know what else we?d be talking about,? said Louisville?s athletic director, Tom Jurich, who will attend on behalf of the Big East.
Jake Crouthamel, Syracuse?s former athletic director, articulated in a telephone interview Sunday night a dire future for the Big East. Crouthamel, who helped form the Big East as Syracuse?s athletic director from 1978 to 2005, said he did not see the conference?s surviving.
He predicted that Syracuse would be in a different conference within five years and that there would be ?utter turmoil? in college sports.
?I?ve been thinking about this for quite a while,? Crouthamel said. ?I don?t see a whole lot of alternatives for anyone. You only control what your conference has. You don?t control what the Big Ten or the Pac-10 or the SEC does. What do you do? I don?t know what you do.?
The best chance for the Big East to survive, he said, would be if the Big Ten, with 11 teams, adds only Notre Dame.
That would increase the Big Ten to the 12 teams necessary to have a postseason championship game and increase the league?s national profile.
What it would not do is significantly increase the Big Ten?s television footprint for its successful new network, which is really the driving force behind its proposed expansion.
That is why the Big Ten is toying with the idea of a 16-team league that could include colleges like Missouri, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Connecticut. If that happens, Crouthamel predicted other conferences would catch up by adding teams.
The counterintuitive aspect of the Big Ten expansion talk is that it is not always the quality of the program, but the television market that it would deliver, that is the most important factor. Though probably not pining to watch Rutgers or Syracuse football, Big Ten officials like all the television sets in New Jersey and upstate New York.
Eventually, Crouthamel said he saw the Big Ten, the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Southeastern Conference and the Pacific-10 forming four 16-team superconferences and leaving the umbrella of the N.C.A.A. (Just imagine the fight between the SEC and the Pac-10 for Texas.) He said that those leagues would form their own basketball tournament to rival the N.C.A.A. tournament.
?If you look at the history of what?s been going on for the last decade, I think it?s leading in that direction,? he said.
Like the Big East, the Big 12 is also vulnerable, but not as much because Texas does not appear a realistic candidate to go to the Big Ten. The Big 12 could afford to lose a program like Missouri. But in the Big East, which has eight teams that play football, the loss of multiple teams would be hard to overcome.
Jim Boeheim, the Syracuse men?s basketball coach, did not share what he called Crouthamel?s bleak outlook. Neither did John Marinatto, the Big East commissioner.
?Although I admire and respect Jake very much, he also predicted the Big East could not survive the challenges of 2005, and we are actually stronger today than we have been in our history,? Marinatto said.
In the aftermath of the A.C.C.?s plucking of Virginia Tech, Miami and Boston College in 2003, the Big East put in place what would appear to be some prohibitive measures for conferences swiping universities. One is a $5 million penalty for a university to leave. The other is a minimum 27-month waiting period ? an eternity in college football ? for a Big East university to join a new league.
But the financial bounty awaiting teams going to the Big Ten is more than double what they receive from the Big East now.
The estimated Big Ten payouts are more than $20 million a team, compared with the Big East payouts of around $7 million.
?I?d love to see the Big East stay intact as much as possible, as there?s a lot of positives and it serves as a great home,? Jurich said. ?But if they start gobbling people up. ...?
The Big East built its reputation as a basketball power, but the recent talk has only highlighted how little basketball is considered in expansion.
Football, as the old saying goes, drives the bus in college athletic departments.
Boeheim protested the potential of Syracuse?s moving to the A.C.C. seven years ago. Crouthamel said that Syracuse was invited and then uninvited after the Virginia governor stepped in to help Virginia Tech be invited.
Boeheim said that Boston College?s move to the A.C.C. had not worked well for that college and said that Syracuse would be an odd fit in the Big Ten for basketball, much like Miami is in the A.C.C. and Penn State in the Big Ten. He did not necessarily disagree with Crouthamel?s statement that Syracuse would be in a different league in five years, only predicting that he would be ?off fishing? when it happened.
?How that all works out down the road someday, I can?t figure it out,? he said.
Until the Big Ten makes a decision, few will be able to figure it out. Until then, the college sports world will remain in flux, braced for change.

Entire article: College Conferences Ponder Expansion and Extinction - NYTimes.com
 
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OSU_D/;1693156; said:
They may not NEED it... but looking at one individual's proposed revenue addition chart, UT has a 50% increase over school #2.
CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609

Of course it would be nice to still get Texas :wink2: The interesting thing is after Texas it is a huge drop off as Notre Dame doesn't add that much and is in the next tier. But the main point I was making was that now the Big 10 isn't forced to have to have Notre Dame and/or Texas involved in expansion to make it work, and that REAL threat is what we need to force ND/Texas to make a move.

But liek you point out, Texas is still the golden goose. Hopefully the real threat of the Big 12 being chopped up into pieces by the Big 10 and the SEC & Pac-10 reacting to the new Big 16, that it will make Texas want to jump on the gravy train of the Big 10/16. Cuz I can't see Texas going to the SEC. While Texas to the Pac10 might be their eventual landing place(if not the Big 10), it will take a long time before the Pac10 actually acts on anything. Unless of course the Big 10 and Pac 10 are talking behind the scenes to look out for each other.
 
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cincibuck;1693172; said:
and why Vandy chooses to remain in the SEC is a source of constant wonder other than their S&M need for the annual "rivalry game" with Tennessee.


Because they share in the bowl revenue and the tv revenue. For a school that doesn't want to fund a proper athletic department, they'd be foolish to leave a league that shovels and shares money by the truckload, don't you think?

Furthermore - Vandy's committment to hoops is impressive, but it isn't ACC impressive.
 
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Piney;1693202; said:
While Texas to the Pac10 might be their eventual landing place(if not the Big 10), it will take a long time before the Pac10 actually acts on anything. Unless of course the Big 10 and Pac 10 are talking behind the scenes to look out for each other.

If they are talking, it would be to find a way to better knife each other in the back, not to look out for each other's interests.
 
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