Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[kn1f3party]

The CFN guys talk about Rutgers.

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It seems like a foregone conclusion to the media. I believe that, like them, Rutgers will likely be a piece of the puzzle but I find it hard to believe the Big Ten has truly given up on the idea of bringing in heavyweights when the timetable for this thing is so distant.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I think he's jumping the gun here.

To be able to move forward, Texas is off the table, and actually, it was never really on the table. It made for great content and great discussion for a few days, but the Big Ten head honcho types talked about talking about Texas joining the conference, and that was enough to get everyone buzzing. Never mind that that there was never a proposal, or discussions in any way, between the two parties, and forget that Texas has no real interest in making the move; just talking about the possibilities, and the idea of Texas joining the Big Ten not seeming that crazy, was enough to show that the Big Ten wasn?t just going to add Iowa State and move on.

To be saying that Texas is "off the table" because there's been no official contact or offer this early in the process is as ludicrous as those reports saying Pitt was a done deal and ready to be announced.

 

[Piney]

And now this...

Notre Dame Fighting Irish athletic director: Conference expansions could end our football independence - ESPN

Swarbrick says that looming realignment changes could be "relatively small ... or they could be seismic."

While Notre Dame prefers to remain independent in football, Swarbrick says, he and university president Rev. John Jenkins will evaluate whatever changes occur and assess how they effect the Fighting Irish.

Swarbrick told reporters Tuesday morning: "You can each come up with a scenario that would force our hand."

And that scenario that would force ND's hand is the Big 10 saying we are expanding to 14 or 16 and telling them "This is your last chance, after this expansion we are DONE"

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

And now this...

Notre Dame Fighting Irish athletic director: Conference expansions could end our football independence - ESPN



And that scenario that would force ND's hand is the Big 10 saying we are expanding to 14 or 16 and telling them "This is your last chance, after this expansion we are DONE"

Given Domer arrogance, I really think they'd choose the Big East. BE has already proven that they're more than willing to bend over and give ND special "privileges." BE would be viewed, particularly if we peel off one or two of their teams" as a conference they would dominate. I'm guessing that the priests and the alums tell the faculty to fuck off and end up in the Big East.

 

[jlb1705]

Given Domer arrogance, I really think they'd choose the Big East. BE has already proven that they're more than willing to bend over and give ND special "privileges." BE would be viewed, particularly if we peel off one or two of their teams" as a conference they would dominate. I'm guessing that the priests and the alums tell the faculty to [censored] off and end up in the Big East.

UConn has different plans.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

So would they then rename the Big East:

Notre Dame and the Altar Boys

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[ORD_Buckeye]

So would they then rename the Big East:

Notre Dame and the Altar Boys

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Because alter boys don't even have the common sense to demand a reach around when they're getting screwed.

 

[mb7015a]

BE would be viewed, particularly if we peel off one or two of their teams" as a conference they would dominate.

If the Big Ten peels off one team from the Big East, ND could join and only have seven league games.

They could also then join with the rest of the BE in negotiating a deal with NBC, where the revenue split would be along the lines of the Big XII. In that scenario, the Domers take an even larger cut (in relative terms to the rest of the conference) than the Longhorns, plus it's entirely likely that even more of their games are national broadcasts.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

depending on what the final numbers are id like to see two hockey teams added. that means seven varsity squads, (be it notre dame and cuse, etc). enough for a conference and likely the result of adding notre dame to the likes of osu, um, wisc, minn and msu is the premiere ncaa hockey conference. texas would be gravy. the list and realities are difficult and odd for me to cobble together though...

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

depending on what the final numbers are id like to see two hockey teams added. that means seven varsity squads, (be it notre dame and cuse, etc). enough for a conference and likely the result of adding notre dame to the likes of osu, um, wisc, minn and msu is the premiere ncaa hockey conference. texas would be gravy. the list and realities are difficult and odd for me to cobble together though...

I think you throw Minny, Wiscy, Sparty, and Scummy into the same league, along with perennial underachiever Ohio State, and you already have the preeminent college hockey conference. The other three schools would just have to be good enough not to fuck it up.

 

[CHU]

U.S. News & World Report Ranking Averages

While waiting for a plane this morning in Chicago and bored, I was curious about academic rankings (according to U.S. News & World Report). The list is just someone's or an organization's opinion, but was curious.

Big Ten's 11-school average ranking was 50.18.

SEC has two Tier 3 schools (Ole Miss and Mississippi State) -- which could be regarded as a disqualification -- but of the 10 schools ranked the average was 90.60.

Very long layover this morning.

 

[BuckTwenty]

And now this...

Notre Dame Fighting Irish athletic director: Conference expansions could end our football independence - ESPN



And that scenario that would force ND's hand is the Big 10 saying we are expanding to 14 or 16 and telling them "This is your last chance, after this expansion we are DONE"

"Get on your kneeees and tell me you love me."

 

[kn1f3party]

Three-point stance: Big Ten/Notre Dame sitcom continues - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

Notre Dame and the Big Ten remind me of a sitcom couple ? How I Met Your Fighting Irish, or maybe Modern Big Ten Family. Whenever one side is ready to hook up, the other isn?t. This sitcom has been running for more than 80 seasons. The Irish have a problem. If the Big Ten takes from the Big East, and the Big East comes to Notre Dame and says help us or get out, where do the Irish go? Where do they play basketball?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I don't see anything comical on the part of the Big Ten. We made them an honest and fair (i.e. no special treatment) offer in 1999. They dragged it out into an elaborate "courtship" before subsequently overruling their own faculty's wishes, doing what was in the best interest of the football program and holding an amazingly stupendously arrogant and delusional press conference where they essentially said they were too good for the Big Ten.

Since then, the Big Ten has ignored them. When we announced an expansion study, they--without the slightest bit of contact from the Big Ten--felt the need to make a string of public announcements saying that they weren't interested. Now, they're hinting they might be....but only if events force them.

The reality is that the Big Ten doesn't need the domers. We have a realistic shot at Texas, and anyone else on the list will crawl to Chicago on their hands and knees to sign the papers. We won't give ND special privileges. We won't allow them to join for some sports but not others. We won't give them a special cut of revenue. We won't let them into the CIC. We won't take their hockey program along when the BTHC is formed. We made them a simple offer a decade ago, and they refused.

Now, after their football and basketball programs have been irrelevant for 10 years, after they're no closer to AAU membership than they were a decade ago, after the Big Ten Network has been a resounding success and every Big Ten school makes 50% more television money than ND, after there's at long last grumblings within the Big East about giving them the boot, they're still preening and prancing around like a self-involved, self-important bunch of douchebags.

There's only one side to this tortured relationship that's comical, and it doesn'st start with Big and end with Ten.

 

[jlb1705]

I don't see anything comical on the part of the Big Ten. We made them an honest and fair (i.e. no special treatment) offer in 1999. They dragged it out into an elaborate "courtship" before subsequently overruling their own faculty's wishes, doing what was in the best interest of the football program and holding an amazingly stupendously arrogant and delusional press conference where they essentially said they were too good for the Big Ten.

Since then, the Big Ten has ignored them. When we announced an expansion study, they--without the slightest bit of contact from the Big Ten--felt the need to make a string of public announcements saying that they weren't interested. Now, they're hinting they might be....but only if events force them.

The reality is that the Big Ten doesn't need the domers. We have a realistic shot at Texas, and anyone else on the list will crawl to Chicago on their hands and knees to sign the papers. We won't give ND special privileges. We won't allow them to join for some sports but not others. We won't give them a special cut of revenue. We won't let them into the CIC. We won't take their hockey program along when the BTHC is formed. We made them a simple offer a decade ago, and they refused.

Now, after their football and basketball programs have been irrelevant for 10 years, after they're no closer to AAU membership than they were a decade ago, after the Big Ten Network has been a resounding success and every Big Ten school makes 50% more television money than ND, after there's at long last grumblings within the Big East about giving them the boot, they're still preening and prancing around like a self-involved, self-important bunch of douchebags.

There's only one side to this tortured relationship that's comical, and it doesn'st start with Big and end with Ten.

I get all the other things, but why wouldn't the Big Ten take their hockey program for a hockey conference?