Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[MissouriFan]

Personally I like the look of this.

Missouri, Texas, and Texas A&M to the Big Ten


The Big Ten with Missouri, Texas, and Texas A&M
East:
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Northwestern
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue

West:
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Missouri
Texas
Texas A&M
Wisconsin

Football Stadiums:
East:
Indiana - 52,692
Michigan - 110,001
Michigan State - 75,005
Northwestern - 49,256
Ohio State - 102,329
Penn State - 107,282
Purdue - 62,500

West:
Illinois - 70,000
Iowa - 70,585
Minnesota - 50,805
Missouri - 71,004
Texas - 100,119
Texas A&M - 83,002
Wisconsin - 80,321

Basketball Arena Capacity
East:
Indiana - 17,456
Michigan - 13,751
Michigan State - 16,280
Northwestern - 8,117
Ohio State - 19,500
Penn State - 15,261
Purdue - 14,123

West:
Illinois - 16,618
Iowa - 15,500
Minnesota - 14,321
Missouri - 15,061
Texas - 16,755
Texas A&M - 12,989
Wisconsin - 17,230

Enrollment
East:
Indiana - 40,354
Michigan - 41,674
Michigan State - 47,100
Northwestern - 16,377
Ohio State - 52,568
Penn State - 44,118
Purdue - 39,697

West:
Illinois - 41,495
Iowa - 30,409
Minnesota - 50,883
Missouri - 30,831
Texas - 49,696
Texas A&M - 48,039
Wisconsin - 42,030

Endowment
East:
Indiana - $1.6 billion
Michigan - $7.1 billion
Michigan State - $1.2 billion
Northwestern - $6.5 billion
Ohio State - $2.3 billion
Penn State - $1.6 billion
Purdue - $1.8 billion

West:
Illinois - $1.5 billion
Iowa - $1.0 billion
Minnesota - $2.8 billion
Missouri - $1 billion
Texas - $16.1 billion
Texas A&M - $6.6 billion
Wisconsin - $1.6 billion
(All numbers are from Wikipedia)

Thoughts?


How the possible fallout might effect the rest of the college sports world.
SEC not to be out done goes to 14 as well adding Oklahoma and Florida State

ACC continues the trend going to 14 adding Louisville, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh

Pac 10 adds Colorado, Utah, Nebraska, and Kansas to get 14

Big East again raids CUSA to get back to eight with Memphis, Central Florida, and ECU. 16 total with the basketball schools.

Mountain West at 8 after losing Utah adds Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Boise State, and Fresno State to also reach 14.

Baylor would be added to CUSA with two other schools, probably from the WAC, MAC, or Sun Belt.

 

[JXC]

What if they spend every ounce of physical and emotional energy they have to win The Game and have to turn around the next week and play another game for the B10 championship facing some team that could very well have had a significantly easier path to getting there in the first place and will be sky high to knock them off?

As soon as we go to a 2 division set up The Game as we knew it is over. Its just a matter of picking the lesser of two evils from then on and imo its more important to get the divisions right.

Well that's how the system works now, nationally. The NCG can feature two teams, one who may have put it all on the line to win it's conference championship game, and another team who skated by and had an easier path to victory.

The Game has never been the last game of the year (except for Michigan the past few years). Ohio State did just fine showing up for the 2002 NCG after beating Michigan. And one can say the reason for that is because they had over a month between games, but I say that the month actually takes away from your teams ability, not adds to it. I have always felt like teams play better when they are on a roll. They get mentally prepared. A long break may help you heal up, but it also takes you out of your rhythm.

As long as you keep Ohio State and Michigan in the same division, and keep The Game as the last regular season game of the year, then you can have a CCG without ruining the rivalry. It may be different, because now you are playing for a Big Ten division championship instead of a Big Ten overall championship, but it still would become a must win to get where you want to go. It would still be Michigan.

It's tough to change traditions, but sometimes change can be good. Nebraska/OU is not as big of a deal anymore because they don't play every year. Hopefully the Big Ten NEVER makes that mistake.

One thing that I may consider being acceptable, but still think is the 2nd best option, is moving The Game to the beginning of the Big Ten schedule. I don't like it, but it could fix some problems that some of you (not me) think will be created. Actually the more I think about it, the more I dislike having it as the first Big Ten game. Just keep it as it is. Adding a CCG won't hurt it near as much as some are thinking. What WILL hurt it is if Michigan keeps SUCKING and entering the game with losing records! Quit sucking already!!!

 

[BB73]

The Game has never been the last game of the year (except for Michigan the past few years).

Before 1975, only 1 Big Ten team was allowed to go to a bowl game, so until then it was the last game for at least one of the teams.

 

[Dryden]

Personally I like the look of this.

Missouri, Texas, and Texas A&M to the Big Ten

I really hope a bid for Texas doesn't require bringing Texas A&M too, because the Big Ten (and the Big Ten Network) really need Syracuse and Missouri, not A&M and Missouri.

Syracuse delivers the New York TV market, which is the third largest market in the country. Mens college basketball is hugely popular in the NFL dominated cities of the northeast, moreso than college football, so Syracuse is as good a move TV-wise where it really matters barring the addition of Notre Dame.

The Big Ten Network is bundled in basic tiers in the eight home states of current Big Ten members, which service 67,379,505 people (already the largest population base of any conferece). Adding Texas, Missouri, and New York delivers another 50,311,335 fans all by itself, bringing the total to 117.7M people residing in a Big Ten footprint state, or about 35-40% of the entire US population. Adding the TV sets in NY, as opposed to adding the Texas market twice, would mean the potential viewership for Big Ten competition is larger than that of the next two largest conferences, the ACC and the SEC, combined!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I really hope a bid for Texas doesn't require bringing Texas A&M too, because the Big Ten (and the Big Ten Network) really need Syracuse and Missouri, not A&M and Missouri.

+1! The best lobbying that the Mizzou president and Missouri governor should be doing is not with the Big Ten office but with the Texas legislature. If the latter forces a UT/Aggy package, that dooms Mizzou's candidacy. No way the Big Ten doesn't look East for the 14th member, and Mizzou is stuck in the rump Big 12, which has also lost Colorado to the Pac 10.

 

[MaxBuck]

If getting Tejas requires our also taking aTm, it's worth it. Aggies aren't all that bad.

 

[(o) IoI /o\ (o)]

I really hope a bid for Texas doesn't require bringing Texas A&M too, because the Big Ten (and the Big Ten Network) really need Syracuse and Missouri, not A&M and Missouri.

Syracuse delivers the New York TV market, which is the third largest market in the country. Mens college basketball is hugely popular in the NFL dominated cities of the northeast, moreso than college football, so Syracuse is as good a move TV-wise where it really matters barring the addition of Notre Dame.

The Big Ten Network is bundled in basic tiers in the eight home states of current Big Ten members, which service 67,379,505 people (already the largest population base of any conferece). Adding Texas, Missouri, and New York delivers another 50,311,335 fans all by itself, bringing the total to 117.7M people residing in a Big Ten footprint state, or about 35-40% of the entire US population. Adding the TV sets in NY, as opposed to adding the Texas market twice, would mean the potential viewership for Big Ten competition is larger than that of the next two largest conferences, the ACC and the SEC, combined!

I wish someone else could vouch for my opinion in this. I am telling you that Syracuse/Rutgers/Pitt will bring ZERO to the Big Ten. This includes talent and viewers. PA has three fan bases PSU, ND and whatever Pro teams are in their area. NY is all about Pro Sports. The East Coast DOES NOT care about College anything. You'll be surprised how many PSU and ND fans around here only watch the Bowl Game . . . .

You guys keep saying you will get the NY market with Syracuse...I am 99.99% sure you won't get much. Think about it, They are terrible in their own horrible Conference now and barely sell tickets...how do you think they are going to hold up in the Big Ten, especially if we get Texas and possibly Missouri. Sorry but having two Illini type teams in the conference won't be good. It's like acquiring Vanderbilt from the SEC...only VB brings a lot more to the table.

IMHO I think looking East is the wrong way to look.

 

[muffler dragon]

I wish someone else could vouch

Paging BKB.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I wish someone else could vouch for my opinion in this. I am telling you that Syracuse/Rutgers/Pitt will bring ZERO to the Big Ten. This includes talent and viewers. PA has three fan bases PSU, ND and whatever Pro teams are in their area. NY is all about Pro Sports. The East Coast DOES NOT care about College anything. You'll be surprised how many PSU and ND fans around here only watch the Bowl Game . . . .

You guys keep saying you will get the NY market with Syracuse...I am 99.99% sure you won't get much. Think about it, They are terrible in their own horrible Conference now and barely sell tickets...how do you think they are going to hold up in the Big Ten, especially if we get Texas and possibly Missouri. Sorry but having two Illini type teams in the conference won't be good. It's like acquiring Vanderbilt from the SEC...only VB brings a lot more to the table.

IMHO I think looking East is the wrong way to look.

I was born in Ohio but grew up in Rochester NY which is near Syracuse. While not my first choice, to say they would bring nothing is off base imo.

Western NY is very B10 like and Syracuse is very much like a B10 school. Big state school, wide geographic appeal, not sure how they match up academics wise but my impression has always been its a good school.

Football has been good there before and could be again, basketball is unquestioned. They are one of the premier lax programs in the country. The extra NYC appeal they get would just be a bonus to the Big 10, its not the meat and potatoes.

Outside of Texas I think Syracuse is the second best team supposedly on the market.

 

[mross34]

Big state school

Syracuse is a private school with 19,000 total students.

 

[Mike80]

I wish someone else could vouch for my opinion in this. I am telling you that Syracuse/Rutgers/Pitt will bring ZERO to the Big Ten. This includes talent and viewers. PA has three fan bases PSU, ND and whatever Pro teams are in their area. NY is all about Pro Sports. The East Coast DOES NOT care about College anything. You'll be surprised how many PSU and ND fans around here only watch the Bowl Game . . . .

You guys keep saying you will get the NY market with Syracuse...I am 99.99% sure you won't get much. Think about it, They are terrible in their own horrible Conference now and barely sell tickets...how do you think they are going to hold up in the Big Ten, especially if we get Texas and possibly Missouri. Sorry but having two Illini type teams in the conference won't be good. It's like acquiring Vanderbilt from the SEC...only VB brings a lot more to the table.

IMHO I think looking East is the wrong way to look.

Looking East isn't that bad of an idea, so long as it's limited to one team.

If the choice is between Rutgers and Syracuse, they would be better served from an athletic standpoint to pick Syracuse. And, from reading your post, it's not all about football in any case. Syracuse football is dormant, not dead.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Three words: Tor On To.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Syracuse is a private school with 19,000 total students.

Yes the state schools are all SUNY whatever but its a state school like B10 schools are in the sense that people who don't go there root for Syracuse because they are from western NY. It has large geographic appeal is what I'm fumbling towards i guess. I would have thought it had more than 19K.

Regardless, other than Texas, its the best of the names I've seen thrown out.

 

[ScriptOhio]

+1! The best lobbying that the Mizzou president and Missouri governor should be doing is not with the Big Ten office but with the Texas legislature. If the latter forces a UT/Aggy package, that dooms Mizzou's candidacy. No way the Big Ten doesn't look East for the 14th member, and Mizzou is stuck in the rump Big 12, which has also lost Colorado to the Pac 10.

I would think that Missouri would be the Big 10's second choice after Texas. Anyway (for whatever reason) I've never liked schools named after a city. I just hope it's not Pittsburgh or Syracuse. And for that matter the universities of Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Houston, Buffalo, and Miami also suck.

 

[manuva]

No Texas in the initial list of 15 schools

Big Ten hires firm to research potential expansion candidates - JSOnline

Alvarez declined to identify schools on the list of 15 candidates but acknowledged he did not see Texas on the list.