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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Woody1968;1659061; said:
And maybe because they played someone along the way:
97 FSU
9/6/97 Sat @ USC (ABC) Los Angeles, CA W, 14-7
Recap | Stats | Notes | Sounds
9/13/97 Sat Maryland* (ABC) Tallahassee, FL W, 50-7 Recap | Stats | Sounds
9/20/97 Sat @ Clemson (ABC) Clemson, SC W, 35-28 Recap | Stats | Sounds | Comments
10/4/97 Sat Miami (ABC) Tallahassee, FL W, 47-0 Recap | Stats | Sounds
10/11/97 Sat @ Duke (TBA) Durham, NC W, 51-27 Recap | Stats | Sounds
10/18/97 Sat Georgia Tech** (ABC) Tallahassee, FL W, 38-0 Recap | Stats | Sounds
10/25/97 Sat @ Virginia (ESPN) Charlottesville, VA W, 47-21 Recap | Stats | Sounds
11/1/97 Sat NC State*** (ABC) Tallahassee, FL W, 48-35 Recap | Stats | Sounds
11/8/97 Sat @ North Carolina (ESPN) Chapel Hill, NC W, 20-3 Recap | Stats | Sounds
11/15/97 Sat Wake Forest (JP) Tallahassee, FL W, 58-7 Recap | Stats | Sounds
11/22/97 Sat @ Florida (CBS) Gainesville, FL L, 32-29 Recap | Stats | Sounds
1/1/98 Thurs #vs. Ohio St. (ABC) New Orleans, LA W, 31-14 Recap | Stats
87 U Miami
Sept. 5 10 (20) Florida W 31-4
Sept. 26 5 at (10) Arkansas W 51-7
Oct. 3 3 at (4) Florida St. W 26-25
Oct. 10 3 Maryland W 46-16
Oct. 24 3 at Cincinnati W 48-10
Oct. 31 3 at East Carolina W 41-3
Nov. 7 3 Miami (Ohio) W 54-3
Nov. 14 3 Virginia Tech W 27-13
Nov. 21 3 Toledo W 24-14
Nov. 28 2 (10) Notre Dame W 24-0
Dec. 5 2 (8) South Carolina W 20-16
Jan. 1 2 *(1) Oklahoma W 20-14
Show me how those records are substantially weaker than the 2002-03 NC Buckeyes? Then show me how the 02 - 03 Buckeyes get to the the NC if Michigan and Penn State had both had piss poor seasons.
I want the Buckeyes to win. I want them to vie for the NC, but if history shows me anything it is that it takes more than being unbeaten to get to the BCS NC. You have to play someone with a chance to beat you OOC-- hello, Auburn, or have a strong conference. Hello Cincinnati, BYU, Boise State... You have to beat somebody along the way, preferably two or more somebodys.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
muffler dragon;1658825; said:
Too much, often times bizarre, baggage for A&M to come along to the Big Ten. I think it would be a real stretch that they receive the 8 necessary votes from the Presidents.
Hopefully, aggie will realize that it's better for them to have the B12 to themselves than to follow UT around like some clingy little brother.
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From that same thread, I inquired about how much Aggy could block this, and whether they want OU/Aggy to tag along.
shaggybevo.com :: View topic - Big 10 talking to Texas?
Awaiting further responses, but it seems like most are pretty wary of Aggy's politics getting in the way if they don't tag along. Given the longstanding disdain for Aggy, it seems like Texas would be happy to leave those weirdos behind.
shaggybevo.com :: View topic - Big 10 talking to Texas?
Awaiting further responses, but it seems like most are pretty wary of Aggy's politics getting in the way if they don't tag along. Given the longstanding disdain for Aggy, it seems like Texas would be happy to leave those weirdos behind.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
jwinslow;1659162; said:
I'll be interested to see what they think. OU would be even more of a deal breaker from the Big Ten's side than would aggie. Absolutely no way the Presidents and faculties allow OU into the CIC.
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BigJim
Hall of Fame
Local sports radio (Detroit) had an interesting perspective yesterday. Adding a Texas really hurts the chances of the MSU's, Minny's, etc. getting a BCS game. His point was basically that it sounds really cool to get a Texas in the B10 but does the MSU fan base really want to make it that much harder to have the rose bowl as a reasonable goal?
I guess I just hadn't really thought of it that way. It's totally different from an OSU perspective where, as a fan, the Texas addition doesn't have as big of an impact on your high end goals (National Championship).
I guess I just hadn't really thought of it that way. It's totally different from an OSU perspective where, as a fan, the Texas addition doesn't have as big of an impact on your high end goals (National Championship).
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
BigJim;1659174; said:
If anything, it increases our chance for those goals. Beating Texas is a guaranteed signature win of a type that can boost us past an undefeated USC or SEC team into the NC game. The other side of that coin is that it makes the overall season harder, but great programs don't shy away from that.
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
Woody1968;1659061; said:
Sure but the point remains...they played 1 maybe 2 good teams a year while the rest of their rep was built from beating up on scrubs.
cincibuck;1659074; said:
The teams on that schedule (not counting Ohio State) had a combined record of 68-55. The 'Noles played two teams that could be considered "good", Florida & an overachieving North Carolina squad. Those were the only teams that won more than 7 games.
Ohio State's 02' opponents went 88-80 overall. Five of them won 8 or more games (four won 9 or more).
Either way we're talking about an entire decade not a single season. Outside of Miami & UF; FSU' had an extremely easy run.
Ohio State beat a 10-3 Washington St team & one from Texas Tech that went 9-5.
TSUN lost to ND OOC. Penn State beat a mediocre Nebraska team & decent Virginia squad.
If both Penn State & TSUN had gone in the crapper a 10-4 Wisconsin & 10-3 Minnesota wouldn't have suddenly become less impressive than the 9-4 Penn State & 10-3 TSUN squads the Buckeyes faced in the real world.\
A solid OOC win (which is always on the schedule) & victories over 'surging' Big 10 programs (which is inevitable if PSU & TSUN fall down, somebody WILL move into the vacuum created) will be plenty to put the Buckeyes where they want to be in the bowl season.
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Jake
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BigJim;1659174; said:
It doesn't enhance them. :ohwell:
I think Texas would benefit more from joining the Big Ten than any current members of the conference. Now kids who grew up in Big Ten country wanting to play in the conference, can do so even if they want to get away from frigid midwest winters. Conversely, how many Texans are going to give Ohio State more consideration because the Horns joined the Big Ten?
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ORD_Buckeye;1659158; said:
OK, I know their football fans are weird, but what's their baggage institutionally? I'm not that familiar with Aggy.
After reading some of the Longhorn boards yesterday, it seems that some of them think that they should just let Aggy rot, and some seem to think that it would be beneficial to have a geographical rival in-conference and would want to bring them along. On the surface, I see some appeal in bringing aTm along if that's what it takes to get Texas. Bring in Rutgers or Pitt to get to an even number and so Pee Ess Ewe gets the geographical rival that they've always bitched about not having, and call it a day.
Divisions:
- Ohio State
- Texas
- aTm
- Iowa
- Illinois
- Northwestern
- Indiana
- M*ch*g*n
- Penn State
- Rutgers/Pitt
- Purdue
- M*ch*g*n State
- Wisconsin
- Minnesota
That looks like a balanced alignment to me, and you could make a provision for The Game and any other trophy games you wanted to if necessary. Looking at the list, I think this proposal keeps most of the recognizable trophy games intact.
Or we could put together this group, and call it the "Go Beat Rocks Together You [censored]ing Idiots Division":
- M*ch*g*n
- M*ch*g*n State
- Penn State
- Wisconsin
- aTm
- Illinois
- Pitt
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Jagdaddy
Head Coach
This post from the Bevo board made me laugh:
"If us and little brother went to B10, Colorado would probably dash to the to the PAC 10, that wouldnt leave much. I guess OU would go to the SEC since they have so much in common including community college academic standards, cheating, dating inside the family, cheating, states that could charitably be called armpits of America and, of course, cheating.
I dont know anything about Okie politics and dont know if they could leave without taking Boone Pickens U."
"If us and little brother went to B10, Colorado would probably dash to the to the PAC 10, that wouldnt leave much. I guess OU would go to the SEC since they have so much in common including community college academic standards, cheating, dating inside the family, cheating, states that could charitably be called armpits of America and, of course, cheating.
I dont know anything about Okie politics and dont know if they could leave without taking Boone Pickens U."
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Jake
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ORD_Buckeye;1659181; said:
We've played in 3 BCS title games, and only pulling a Coop against Sparty in 98 kept it from being four. We've played in 8 BCS bowls, more than any other school. We did that without Texas in our conference.
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Not much to add to this one except I agree 100% with Jwins.
Expansion will forever change The Game and it looks inevitable. Don't let that happen for anything less than Texas or Texas +2 to go to 14 teams.
They fuck up The Game to add some gotdamn Rutgers/Syracuse/Pitt type and I'm going to be pissed.
Expansion will forever change The Game and it looks inevitable. Don't let that happen for anything less than Texas or Texas +2 to go to 14 teams.
They fuck up The Game to add some gotdamn Rutgers/Syracuse/Pitt type and I'm going to be pissed.
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mross34
Rock, Flag, and Eagle
I know that people are afraid the addition of a Texas would diminish the importance of the game, but I disagree to a certain extent. I think it will definitely change the importance of the game, but in some senses I see it becoming more important. I digress:
If Texas comes to the Big 10, isn't a 1-loss Big 10+2 champion at the front of the line (along with the SEC) for a MNC berth? If Michigan gets back to their level of play of years past, wouldn't the game typically be for what amounts to a national semifinal, with Ohio State or Michigan a chance to move to within a win of the title game?
I know that has happened several years in the past, but I think that with the added respect Texas would bring to the Big 10 it would happen a good bit more often.
If Texas comes to the Big 10, isn't a 1-loss Big 10+2 champion at the front of the line (along with the SEC) for a MNC berth? If Michigan gets back to their level of play of years past, wouldn't the game typically be for what amounts to a national semifinal, with Ohio State or Michigan a chance to move to within a win of the title game?
I know that has happened several years in the past, but I think that with the added respect Texas would bring to the Big 10 it would happen a good bit more often.
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