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OregonBuckeye;696930; said:
So you're telling me there has never been such a thing as a "#1" reciever? Have I been under this false impression for my entire life?
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Nope, for all 14 years of your life, you have been hearing about the #1 WR from the media and everyone else who feels a need to label and list things. However, the #1 WR changes constantly.

Let explain this to you in about as basic of terms as I can fathom kid...

Let's say Teddy Ginn is running a slant...got that? A slant..look-in...whatever you want to call it. Gonzo is on the other side and is running a fade. Still with me? Good.

On snap A, the defense is in a bump cover 1 with the corner playing a hard inside leverage.

On snap B, the defense is playing a soft typical 6 yard cushion cover 3 with inside leverage.

On snap C, the defense is playing a bump cover 2 with the corners playing outside leverage to funnel the receivers into the 2-deep.

Slant and Fade remember? About as basic as it can be.

Down and distance are irrelevant here...are you telling me that Ginn is the "#1" receiver on all of these snaps? Is he Troys first immediate read or does he know Teddy is not #1 as soon as he sees the alignment?

This really isn't that hard kid. If you want to label a WR as #1, the media and Sony would certainly label the "#1" as Ginn...I said that was debatable. If you want to look at talent and clutch...debatable. If you want to look at actual football...very debatable as shown above.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;697001; said:
It's not fair, 21, to have two of those plays offer Ted extra coverage. :p
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I really didn't think my point was very hard to understand...maybe Im speaking Latin or sumfin.

#1 is a label that is used by the media and the fans...#1 is 100% useless in football.

That's it...nothing more. If we want to label someone as the "#1" WR, Ginn is a strong candidate...as is Gonzo. It is debatable...that was the initial premise.

Like someone said earlier, semantics...but damn.
 
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osugrad21;697006; said:
I really didn't think my point was very hard to understand...maybe Im speaking Latin or sumfin.

#1 is a label that is used by the media and the fans...#1 is 100% useless in football.

That's it...nothing more. If we want to label someone as the "#1" WR, Ginn is a strong candidate...as is Gonzo. It is debatable...that was the initial premise.

Like someone said earlier, semantics...but damn.
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Well, it's a lot easier to look at the stat-book, see who has more catches, and come to the conclusion that that guy is the #1 WR.

Actually, I thought Ted was a Flanker... but, whatever.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;697007; said:
Well, it's a lot easier to look at the stat-book, see who has more catches, and come to the conclusion that that guy is the #1 WR.

Actually, I thought Ted was a Flanker... but, whatever.
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If you really want to get tricky, you can label the receivers with their appropriate letters...X, Y, Z, etc.

However, let's stick with #1 and so forth...Id hate to lose some people.
 
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Best Buckeye;696506; said:
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Oh my....

Despite Breaston's statistical superiority to Robiskie, the arguments for Robiskie being better than Breaston are at least worth listening to (even though I'm still not convinced). Better hands, etc.

But Robiskie = Arrington? Across the stat sheet, Arrington has better everything. Check that - Robiskie does have one advantage. His longest catch is for 39 yards, Arrington's for 37. The rest of it - receptions, yards, ypc, ypg, touchdowns....all Arrington.

Arrington is your #2 reciever, of course he has more catches. Put Arrington on our team and how many catches does he make? Does he even get in a game?
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And how did Arrington and Breaston do without MM? I seem to recall some ugly wins during that stretch like NW and Ball State. Wouldn't that also "inflate" Breaston's stats as he was given an increased roll in the offense during that time. I don't see how HailMichigan can agrue that Breaston>Robo when he had the opportunity to start a few game and serve as the #2 guy. I'm sure this helped him pick up a few more yards than if MM had been healthy all year. Besides, comparing stat lines doesn't tell you who is the most talented and capable. If I'm choosing up sides, I'd pick them in this order:

MM - He has break away speed to stretch the D and a knack for finding the end zone
Gonzo - He makes every big catch.
Ginn - Awesome raw speed, but still learning the reciever role. He drops more than I would like.
Robo - This guy is the next stud receiver at tOSU.
Arrington - Solid receiver, but I just don't see the spectacular from him.

I'm sure I'm biased, but I truly believe tOSU has the deepest set of recievers. They could lose Ginn or Gonzo and still not have a huge drop off. The loss of MM was very significant to the scUM passing game.
 
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Ginn - Awesome raw speed, but still learning the reciever role. He drops more than I would like.
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I agree with alot of what you were saying, but I have to step in again here. Like I said earlier:
It seems to me that way too many people out there still consider Ginn an average receiver, and I think the main reason is because they see alot of the "Shot Ginn" catches, where we put him in an almost impossible scenario to really make plays. However, the kid can flat out beat anyone in the country running down the field, and he's proven it over and over again with his bomb TD catches from Smith. But another thing, that is way overlooked, is Ginn's technique when he is near the sideline. He's made catches where I've been simply amazed that he was able to stay in bounds, and many times it's an NFL catch too. Ginn's technique as a receiver has vastly improved and he doesn't drop many balls anymore.
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Ginn has become a great receiver now and I don't understand the misconceptions still out there about him. I would wager Ginn has dropped less than 5 passes this year. I just haven't noticed many mistakes from him this season. He has also vastly improved his technique and route running skills, he just needs to improve a little on his over-the-middle routes.
 
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