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I don't remember any play where Robiskie beat Leon Hall down the field - I won't argue if someone can provide evidence, but it just boggles my mind that Hall would ever have been matched up on Robiskie if either Ginn or Gonzalez were out there.
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How about 7:07 left in the 2nd quarter. Smith is on the 11, bounces away from Crable and other Michigan defenders, as per usual, and fires to Robiskie on the sideline at the 32 yard line. Leon Hall then attempts to tackle Robo and he throws him over his shoulders, then turns it up field causing Adams to crash into Harrison, and then only because Robo didn't even try to elude Trent, or run around Ginn (who could have blocked Trent) does he even go down at the 52 yard line. Otherwise that is a touchdown as no scUM defender was even close to Robo. No matter, though, because a few plays later on 2nd and inches at the scUM 39 yard line, Smith would pull an amazing fake to Chris Wells and then launch it up top to Teddy Ginn who had burnt the amazing Leon Hall.

But again you probably prefer not to remember that minute and a half scoring drive, much like the rest of the game either.

Fact of the matter is, is that Robo makes huge plays and has been adjusting to the escaping Smith all season long. Robo will run his pattern, recognize the play is getting busted and see that Smith gets away from the defenders and he'll adjust his route so Smith can fire it to him for a big gain. For other examples go ahead and watch the Penn State game (where the most amazing college play ever is preformed) as well as twice against Michigan State and in many other games as well.

Hartline right now is just a solid receiver who doesn't drop passes and runs crisp routes, but isn't thrown to alot because we have so many other weapons to throw to (Ginn, Gonzo, Hall, Robo, Nicol(TE), as well as Pittman/Wells/Wells out of the backfield)
 
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Jeffcat;696224; said:
as much as i hate to say it id say manningham is the best WR out of everybody there
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Wrong. Next...

HailToMichigan;696220; said:
O RLY?

Robiskie: 29 catches, 383 yds
Breaston: 51 catches, 555 yds

You can also match up Manningham and Ginn if you like:

Manningham: 78 yds/gm, 19 yds/catch
Ginn: 65 yds/gm, 13 yds/catch

No raw statistical matchup is fair without taking into account that Manningham missed four games. And after Ginn and Gonzalez, there is a huge drop off. You guys are all overestimating Robiskie's and Hartline's value.
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You conveniently ignore the ypc factor when comparing Robo with Breaston, yet you use it when comparing Ginn and Manningham...nice consistency. :roll1:

Robiskie: 13.2 ypc, 5 TD
Breaston: 10.9 ypc, 1 TD

You can see that although Breaston has 22 more catches, he has 1/5 the TDs that Robo has. He is nowhere near as efficient as Robo. How can our #3 WR be a "drop off" with 5 TDs when your #3 WR had but 1 TD all season?

As for Ginn and Manningham:

Ginn: 59 catches, 11 TDs
Manningham: 32 catches, 9 TDs

You can assume that Manningham makes bigger plays as a WR than does Ginn, based solely on these stats. However, the stats don't show how many receptions Ginn got stuck with behind the LOS out of the "Shot Ginn" formation...my guess from watching all the games is 12-15 receptions this year. I don't know why we run that formation, as I can't recall a single big play coming out of the Shot Ginn, and many times we lost yardage because the defense reads it and snuffs it. When Ginn is moved up to the LOS, he's a whole 'nother animal. I probably could go back and factor out every Shot Ginn reception which would assuredly up his average considerably, but everyone in America has seen what Ginn can do, especially in big games.

And we don't even need to bother comparing Gonzo with Arrington....
 
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TD receptions does not show you the caliber of how talented a WR is....
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I would argue this only because it can show how elusive a WR is at getting open in the endzone and especially in the manner of how he does it. Robiskie is a fine example of this as well, as he caught the rope from Smith against Penn State, caught a diving catch in the back of the endzone against Iowa, caught the readjustment from Smith against Michigan State, as well as having a diving catch against Minnesota, and then of course his amazing technique was shown against Michigan in the final clutch scoring drive for the bucks. And I might add, too, that he made Trent look like a moron on that play, because if you watch it again, you can see Trent just way over pursue and fall down in the back of the endzone where Robo was in the front left corner catching the TD.
 
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However, the stats don't show how many receptions Ginn got stuck with behind the LOS out of the "Shot Ginn" formation...my guess from watching all the games is 12-15 receptions this year. I don't know why we run that formation, as I can't recall a single big play coming out of the Shot Ginn, and many times we lost yardage because the defense reads it and snuffs it. When Ginn is moved up to the LOS, he's a whole 'nother animal.
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I just want to add to that, because it seems to me that way too many people out there still consider Ginn an average receiver, and I think the main reason is because they see alot of the "Shot Ginn" catches, where we put him in an almost impossible scenario to really make plays. However, the kid can flat out beat anyone in the country running down the field, and he's proven it over and over again with his bomb TD catches from Smith. But another thing, that is way overlooked, is Ginn's technique when he is near the sideline. He's made catches where I've been simply amazed that he was able to stay in bounds, and many times it's an NFL catch too. Ginn's technique as a receiver has vastly improved and he doesn't drop many balls anymore.
 
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scarletngray;696253; said:
Hail - How many recieving TD's does Breaston have compared to Robiskie?

How many recieving TD's does MM have commpared to TG2?
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Manningham: 9 in 8 games
Ginn: 9 in 12 games

Remember that one of Ginn's TD's is a throwing TD and another is a return TD. And you don't want to bring the return game into this because then Breaston's return game would have to be included and you guys don't want that comparison. Trust me. It's better than Ginn's.

Mili - the only reason for bringing in the ypg into the Ginn/Manningham comparison is that Mannigham missed a third of the season. If you project Manningham's stats out to a full season, they blow Ginn out of the water. Undoubtedly the presence of Gonzalez took away from Ginn's stats a little bit - the same way the presence of Breaston reduces the stats of Arrington and Manningham. No need to use ypg for Breaston/Robiskie, since they both played the whole season.
 
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HailToMichigan;696268; said:
Manningham: 9 in 8 games
Ginn: 9 in 12 games

And you don't want to bring the return game into this because then Breaston's return game would have to be included and you guys don't want that comparison. Trust me. It's better than Ginn's.
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yeah Ginn sucked so bad as a return man that nobody would kick the ball anywhere near him. :crazy:
 
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HailToMichigan;696268; said:
Remember that one of Ginn's TD's is a throwing TD and another is a return TD. And you don't want to bring the return game into this because then Breaston's return game would have to be included and you guys don't want that comparison. Trust me. It's better than Ginn's.
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Wow. Just fucking wow. You have just nuclear detonated what little credibility you had built it here. Does Breaston have 6 punt return TDs (not including another at Indiana last year called back by a totally bogus penalty), along with a KO return TD? Does the opposition kick away from Breaston like they do Ginn? You statement is nothing but smack talk, and you should know by now how we deal with smack talkers...
 
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OregonBuckeye;696271; said:
Oh, so you mean Breaston set the Big-10 record for career punt return td's?
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Ginn had one outstanding season two years ago. Since then Breaston has outperformed him in both the punt return and kick return games. Especially this year, which I believe is the focus of the argument.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;696282; said:
Wow. Just fucking wow. You have just nuclear detonated what little credibility you had built it here. Does Breaston have 6 punt return TDs (not including another at Indiana last year called back by a totally bogus penalty), along with a KO return TD? Does the opposition kick away from Breaston like they do Ginn? You statement is nothing but smack talk, and you should know by now how we deal with smack talkers...
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Um, yes. Pretty friggin' often. Don't tell me my credibility is blown if you are going to start claiming teams don't kick away from Breaston. Yes, Breaston has a kick return TD. Breaston also has four punt return TD's. Ginn's got six, good for him. Check the return averages for this season and last.
 
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Breaston's return game would have to be included and you guys don't want that comparison. Trust me. It's better than Ginn's.
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Trust me its not. Breaston will field anything and usually gets smacked in the face for it. All this Breaston to Ginn comparison is the biggest joke I've ever seen. Fact of the matter is, is that Ginn has made more plays and especially more bigger plays than Breaston in his career and Breaston has had 4 years to do it, Ginn just 3.
 
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