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Beatles Remastered Vinyl

Bucky32

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Stereo set available today: http://www.examiner.com/review/review-the-beatles-vinyl-box-set-old-is-new-again

Anyone else planning on picking up the box set or individual records? Now, most of their albums were recorded in mono and hence sound the best in mono, but pretty much everything from Magical Mystery Tour and onwards sound better in stereo.

I'll likely be buying these one-by-one over time, as I currently don't have any Beatles albums in vinyl.
 
Bucky32;2255194; said:
Stereo set available today: http://www.examiner.com/review/review-the-beatles-vinyl-box-set-old-is-new-again

Anyone else planning on picking up the box set or individual records? Now, most of their albums were recorded in mono and hence sound the best in mono, but pretty much everything from Magical Mystery Tour and onwards sound better in stereo.

I'll likely be buying these one-by-one over time, as I currently don't have any Beatles albums in vinyl.

I'll be picking up Revolver to replace my current copy - the North American Capitol release that excluded three songs.
 
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jlb1705;2255470; said:
I'll be picking up Revolver to replace my current copy - the North American Capitol release that excluded three songs.
Yeah, I was thinking about starting off with Abbey Road and working from there. I'm not a big fan of Let It Be. I might consider buying some of the earlier ones, because I don't think the mono/stereo difference will be as noticeable on L/R speakers as in headphones.
 
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First of all, who the heck has a record player these days? Haven't seen one in years.......second of all, who the heck would start out with any Beatles album but 'the White Album"?

Just kidding, kinda. With today's sounds from CD's, cannot imagine anyone playing scratchy vinyl records, although I've got about 150 or so from 'back in the day'. Got plenty of use on the Friday/Saturday/Sunday night doobie nights.......

Course, I passed on the original Starbucks offering because I couldn't believe anyone would pay $5 bucks for a cup of coffee.....enjoy the sounds......so what do I know?


:gobucks3::gobucks4::banger:
 
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calibuck;2255536; said:
First of all, who the heck has a record player these days? Haven't seen one in years.......second of all, who the heck would start out with any Beatles album but 'the White Album"?

Just kidding, kinda. With today's sounds from CD's, cannot imagine anyone playing scratchy vinyl records, although I've got about 150 or so from 'back in the day'. Got plenty of use on the Friday/Saturday/Sunday night doobie nights.......

Course, I passed on the original Starbucks offering because I couldn't believe anyone would pay $5 bucks for a cup of coffee.....enjoy the sounds......so what do I know?


:gobucks3::gobucks4::banger:
I prefer the sound of vinyl. I think it sounds fuller and richer compared to, say, MP3s. I dunno, I'm kind of old-fashioned in that sense. I also own all the Beatles' remastered CDs from 2009 and have put those on my computer. I probably won't buy all of the vinyls, just some of my favorites from their catalog.

As far as the White Album, it's up there but not one of my favorites. Personal preference goes like this:
1) Revolver
2) Abbey Road
3) Sgt. Pepper's
4) Revolver
5) Magical Mystery Tour
6) I could put the White Album here, but I might be tempted to even put Help! here as well. I love that album.

Truth be told, some of my favorite Beatles songs are on the White Album ("Dear Prudence" and "Blackbird"). The album itself is just so disjointed and overly long, IMO. But to each their own. :)
 
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You lose audio quality anytime you do any sort of conversion and/or compression. Digital audio will never be as good as the original analog audio...it's simply not possible.
 
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I used to own the White Album in white vinyl. It was one of the first albums I ever bought back in '72. Sold it to that record store on the second floor on High Street. Everybody's Records? Never should have sold that...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2255651; said:
You lose audio quality anytime you do any sort of conversion and/or compression. Digital audio will never be as good as the original analog audio...it's simply not possible.

They are doing some 500+ meg song files now that are very close to re-creating a sign wave. Digital sound reproduction is going to be improving a ton in the next couple of years. You will have to pay more for the larger files.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2255651; said:
You lose audio quality anytime you do any sort of conversion and/or compression. Digital audio will never be as good as the original analog audio...it's simply not possible.
Which is precisely what these records are NOT. They are digitally sourced from the 2009 remastered stereo CD catalog. They are not analog sourced. Some audiophiles may argue this is pointless, but if you want the original mixes, you'll need to look for the Japanese pressings or the originals - which in turn likely won't sound as good as these - but at least you'll know they're analog sourced.

The Abbey Road audio team that worked on these didn't simply cut the digital remasters to vinyl; they decided they should create new versions of the Beatles's vinyl LPs. It was quite the laborious process, detailed here:

The first stage in transferring the sound of a master recording to vinyl is the creation of a disc to be used during vinyl manufacture. There were two options to consider. A Direct Metal Master (DMM), developed in the late seventies, allows sound to be cut directly into a stainless steel disc coated with a hard copper alloy. The older, alternative method is to cut the sound into the soft lacquer coating on a nickel disc - the first of several steps leading to the production of a stamper to press the vinyl.

A 'blind' listening test was arranged to choose between a 'lacquer' or 'copper' cut. Using both methods, A Hard Day's Night was pressed with ten seconds of silence at the beginning and end of each side. This allowed not only the reproduction of the music to be assessed, but also the noise made by the vinyl itself. After much discussion, two factors swung the decision towards using the lacquer process. First, it was judged to create a warmer sound than a DMM. Secondly, there was a practical advantage of having 'blank' discs of a consistent quality when cutting lacquers.

The next step was to use the Neumann VMS80 cutting lathe at Abbey Road. Following thorough mechanical and electrical tests to ensure it was operating in peak condition, engineer Sean Magee cut the LPs in chronological release order. He used the original 24-bit remasters rather than the 16-bit versions that were required for CD production. It was also decided to use the remasters that had not undergone 'limiting' - a procedure to increase the sound level, which is deemed necessary for most current pop CDs.

Having made initial test cuts, Magee pinpointed any sound problems that can occur during playback of vinyl records. To rectify them, changes were made to the remasters with a Digital Audio Workstation. For example, each vinyl album was listened to for any 'sibilant episodes' - vocal distortion that can occur on consonant sounds such as S and T. These were corrected by reducing the level in the very small portion of sound causing the undesired effect. Similarly, any likelihood of 'inner-groove distortion' was addressed. As the stylus approaches the centre of the record, it is liable to track the groove less accurately. This can affect the high-middle frequencies, producing a 'mushy' sound particularly noticeable on vocals. Using what Magee has described as 'surgical EQ,' problem frequencies were identified and reduced in level to compensate for this.

The last phase of the vinyl mastering process began with the arrival of the first batches of test pressings made from master lacquers that had been sent to the two pressing plant factories. Stringent quality tests identified any noise or click appearing on more than one test pressing in the same place. If this happened, it was clear that the undesired sounds had been introduced either during the cutting or the pressing stage and so the test records were rejected. In the quest to achieve the highest quality possible, the Abbey Road team worked closely with the pressing factories and the manufacturers of the lacquer and cutting styli.

As usual with vinyl, the sound quality depends on the equipment you have. I just have a simple, cheap Sony PS-LX300USB with a Sherwood receiver and Cyber Acoustics speakers. But I'm not hung up on how each and every instrument and voice sounds in these records. I'm buying them because they're a part of history and I prefer listening to vinyl.
 
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calibuck;2255536; said:
First of all, who the heck has a record player these days? Haven't seen one in years.......second of all, who the heck would start out with any Beatles album but 'the White Album"?

Hipsters have turntables. Got mine for Christmas last year. Some of the new music I like is put out exclusively on vinyl. I also have bought some of my favorite albums on vinyl that I already own on CD. It does sound different (better) to me. Not only that, but you listen to the music differently when you listen on a turntable. I hear the songs in a slightly different context when there's a Side A / Side B than listening to a digital album straight thru or shuffled.

I know a lot of people point to the White Album and Sgt. Pepper's as their best albums, but I've always preferred Revolver, followed by Rubber Soul. Those two are not without some filler, but overall I think they are tighter albums nonetheless. I say that about Revolver despite the inclusion of "Yellow Submarine", which I fucking hate.
 
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jlb1705;2256059; said:
Hipsters have turntables.

This is exactly what I was going to say.

I have a few poor, hipster friends (they refer to themselves as this, so I'm not being a dick) who spend all their money on items with owls on them and vinyl records. Then they post pictures of them all on Instagram.

That being said, I do enjoy the sound of vinyls. I only have two - an old Zeppelin vinyl and a newer A Perfect Circle vinyl - but I only use them for decoration. :p No room or money for a record player when I have digital media and more important expenses.

On topic: this looks like a cool release. I used to dig these special edition releases from certain bands. Not so much anymore, but this one looks cool.
 
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jlb1705;2256059; said:
Hipsters have turntables. Got mine for Christmas last year. Some of the new music I like is put out exclusively on vinyl. I also have bought some of my favorite albums on vinyl that I already own on CD. It does sound different (better) to me. Not only that, but you listen to the music differently when you listen on a turntable. I hear the songs in a slightly different context when there's a Side A / Side B than listening to a digital album straight thru or shuffled.

I know a lot of people point to the White Album and Sgt. Pepper's as their best albums, but I've always preferred Revolver, followed by Rubber Soul. Those two are not without some filler, but overall I think they are tighter albums nonetheless. I say that about Revolver despite the inclusion of "Yellow Submarine", which I [censored]ing hate.
Revolver is easily my favorite. A very tightly constructed album. Rubber Soul is usually looked upon as the companion to Revolver, but I've never been able to get into it. White Album is a tad overrated, and Let It Be is a hot mess. I don't even consider Yellow Submarine to be a true album of theirs.

And you're absolutely right about listening to vinyls differently than CDs or digitally. It forces you to listen to every song on the record.
 
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3074326;2256060; said:
This is exactly what I was going to say.

I have a few poor, hipster friends (they refer to themselves as this, so I'm not being a dick) who spend all their money on items with owls on them and vinyl records. Then they post pictures of them all on Instagram.

That being said, I do enjoy the sound of vinyls. I only have two - an old Zeppelin vinyl and a newer A Perfect Circle vinyl - but I only use them for decoration. :p No room or money for a record player when I have digital media and more important expenses.

On topic: this looks like a cool release. I used to dig these special edition releases from certain bands. Not so much anymore, but this one looks cool.
Which one? I'd love to own IV on vinyl. One of my all-time favorites.
 
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jlb1705;2256059; said:
I know a lot of people point to the White Album and Sgt. Pepper's as their best albums, but I've always preferred Revolver, followed by Rubber Soul. Those two are not without some filler, but overall I think they are tighter albums nonetheless. I say that about Revolver despite the inclusion of "Yellow Submarine", which I [censored]ing hate.

I'd go "Abbey Road" #1, followed by "Revolver". "Sgt. Pepper" #3 and "Rubber Soul" #4.

I've got the 2009 remasters boxes (both mono and stereo) in 320 kbps MP3 format. I get why people like vinyl but I gave up that fight years ago and went digital. There are hundreds of digital to analog converters on the market. Some do a great job of replicating the "warm" sound that vinyl produces. I'm willing to live with digital, if nothing else for the storage space advantage. (I have well over 2000 albums)
 
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TexasBuck;2256072; said:
I'd go "Abbey Road" #1, followed by "Revolver". "Sgt. Pepper" #3 and "Rubber Soul" #4.

I've got the 2009 remasters boxes (both mono and stereo) in 320 kbps MP3 format. I get why people like vinyl but I gave up that fight years ago and went digital. There are hundreds of digital to analog converters on the market. Some do a great job of replicating the "warm" sound that vinyl produces. I'm willing to live with digital, if nothing else for the storage space advantage. (I have well over 2000 albums)
So jealous.

I wish they would release the 2009 remastered mono CDs individually like they did the stereo CDs. The left/right panning on their earlier albums is ridiculous in stereo. Although, for some reason, Help! sounds fine in stereo. But Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's, etc. sound best in mono.
 
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