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BCS Title Contenders (Can tOSU get there?)

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Not sure where else to pose this question.


We were debating this on tRCMB.

If OSU loses to PSU, then wins out like one would expect (big time) would they still make a BCS bowl?

I don't think so because they really won't have any quality wins. ( I don't think MSU, Iowa, or Wisc) are going to look that great on the resume.

Plus Utah and TCU may be stealing bids.

Thanks guys.
 
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st8ofmind;1301773; said:
Not sure where else to pose this question.


We were debating this on tRCMB.

If OSU loses to PSU, then wins out like one would expect (big time) would they still make a BCS bowl?

I don't think so because they really won't have any quality wins. ( I don't think MSU, Iowa, or Wisc) are going to look that great on the resume.

Plus Utah and TCU may be stealing bids.

Thanks guys.
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IMO, Yes. But only if it's a close loss, and if Penn State makes the NCG. Especially if USC also makes the NCG. The Rose Bowl wants at least one Big 10 or one Pac-10 team in the Rose Bowl. Preferably having one of each. Ohio State is the sexier than any non-USC Pac-10 team. Having Ohio State play a Big 12 or SEC #1 or #2 would be a huge matchup for the Rose Bowl.
 
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st8ofmind;1301773; said:
Not sure where else to pose this question.


We were debating this on tRCMB.

If OSU loses to PSU, then wins out like one would expect (big time) would they still make a BCS bowl?

I don't think so because they really won't have any quality wins. ( I don't think MSU, Iowa, or Wisc) are going to look that great on the resume.

Plus Utah and TCU may be stealing bids.

Thanks guys.
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if we loose to psu the only way we make a bcs bowl is if psu plays in the ncg. as things sit right now, either tOSU or psu will be playing in the rose bowl. if we beat psu and win out, we go. if we loose to psu and psu wins out, there is a pretty good chance we go. if psu wins out but doesn't get picked for the ncg, they go. i see us having virtually 0 chance at the nc even with a win over psu. but then, i thought the same thing last year after the illi loss.

we win out we absolutely get a bcs bowl. we don't, we don't deserve one. if we luck our way into the rose by psu going to the ncg... great. if not... ill enjoy watching tOSU play in the <insert random bowl here>.
 
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Is the Big11 guaranteed 2 teams? Why would you still get a bid?

Also if PSU beats you guys they are going undefeated and will be in the champ game. I give Iowa about a 10% shot and it's blowout city vs MSU or any other Big11 team.
 
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leroyjenkins;1301809; said:
Bc we travel well, pull huge TV numbers, our only loses would be to possible NC game contenders, and lastly...........



We're Ohio State!
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Well at least you'll have earned it. :biggrin:

I just don't see it happening with 2 losses because OSU would fall to around 19 ish in the polls and wouldn't have any big wins left to move up with. Of course ILL was incredibly worthy last year as well (sarcasm)


Maybe I'm just pissy because MSU went 10-2 in 99', beating Notre Dame, OSU, THEm, PSU, Oregon, and didn't get in the BCS. (The only team, not MSU team, team period, to beat OSU, theM, Nortre Dame, and JoePa in one season)
 
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st8ofmind;1301858; said:
Well at least you'll have earned it. :biggrin:

I just don't see it happening with 2 losses because OSU would fall to around 19 ish in the polls and wouldn't have any big wins left to move up with. Of course ILL was incredibly worthy last year as well (sarcasm)


Maybe I'm just [censored]y because MSU went 10-2 in 99', beating Notre Dame, OSU, THEm, PSU, Oregon, and didn't get in the BCS. (The only team, not MSU team, team period, to beat OSU, theM, Nortre Dame, and JoePa in one season)
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Not sure that's really all that impressive considering that Purdue is probably the only other team that's even had the opportunity to beat all of those teams in the same season.
 
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st8ofmind;1301858; said:
Maybe I'm just pissy because MSU went 10-2 in 99', beating Notre Dame, OSU, THEm, PSU, Oregon, and didn't get in the BCS. (The only team, not MSU team, team period, to beat OSU, theM, Nortre Dame, and JoePa in one season)
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Funny. I just watched the '99 UM @ MSU replay on Big Ten's Greatest Games on the Fighting Illini Network last night. I have no idea why. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment?

Carr. Saban. Brady. Burke. Terrell. Plax.

Where's a meteor strike when you really need one? :tongue2:

I think OSU has a shot at a BCS bowl even with two losses. There are 10 slots. You figure the SEC and Big XII will claim two each, then the ACC, Pac 10, Big East, and Big Ten will grab one apiece. Even if Boise and Utah both crack the Top-12, the guys in the funny colored suits will likely only take one non-BCS team, leaving the final at large spot for a second pick out of the Big Ten, Big East, ACC, or Pac 10.

Which runner up would you take if your choices are Ohio State, UConn, Oregon State/Arizona, or any of the five/six potential ACC runners up, especially if its Wake or UNC or GT?
 
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st8ofmind;1301858; said:
Well at least you'll have earned it. :biggrin:

I just don't see it happening with 2 losses because OSU would fall to around 19 ish in the polls and wouldn't have any big wins left to move up with. Of course ILL was incredibly worthy last year as well (sarcasm)
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I agree with you. Even though we travel very well to bowl games and draw a very large TV audience with a loss this Saturday, which isn't going to happen, I cannot see us going to a BCS bowl. Maybe a New Year's Day one but not a BCS bowl.
 
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We got in with 2 losses thelast time we lost to PSU...05.

Lost to Texas and PSU, played in the Fiesta against Ntre Ame. Our confreence schedule was probably a little tougher, and the Big 10 had more national respect, but I don't see why it can't be any different this year.

Especially when the bowls have say over who they want. If they can take OSU over Utah/TCU they are going to do it. They also want OSU over about any other BCS eligible program for travel purposes. We're good for the economy.....
 
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tOSU would almost certainly get an at-large spot if they're in the top 14. Even if Utah and Boise St. both finish in the top-12, only 1 of them is guaranteed a spot.

The fan base and TV ratings make tOSU an easy choice over the lower-rated of Boise and Utah. And as long as tOSU only has 2 losses, no 2nd place ACC, Pac 10, or Big East team would get picked ahead of tOSU, unless ...

Oregon State wins out and gets the Pac-10 automatic bid in the head-to-head tiebraker over USC.

If the Rose Bowl is Oregon-State-Penn State, tOSU would probably NOT get an at-large bid (SEC, Big 12, USC, and Boise/Utah would get them).

The selection process would be:
#1 Texas plays #2 Alabama (if they're both undefeated)
Rose: Oregon State automatic
Rose: Penn State automatic
Orange: ACC champ automatic
Fiesta: 1st replacement pick for Texas: Oklahoma (if they have only 1 loss, they're #3 or #4, and Fiesta has a relationship with the Big 12)
Sugar: 2nd replacement pick for Bama: USC, or 2-loss Fla-Ga
Fiesta: USC, or 2-loss Fla-Ga
Sugar: Big East Champion or Boise St/Utah (whichever of those 2 is higher but inside the BCS top-12)
Orange: Big East Champion or Boise St/Utah (whichever of those 2 is higher but inside the BCS top-12)

But if Penn State makes the Title game, and Oregon State makes the Rose Bowl, it gets interesting.

If USC is not in the top 2 of the BCS, the at-large bids would be either:
tOSU, Big 12 team, USC, and a top-12 Utah/Boise St. team, OR
SEC team, Big 12 team, USC, and a top-12 Utah/Boise St. team, or.

So if the Rose Bowl selected tOSU to play oOSU, the other bowls would have to leave out USC, SEC runner-up, or Big 12 runner-up (If USC and Oklahoma each only have 1 loss, and get selected, the SEC would raise hell, and it would be tOSU's fault).

The selection process would likely be:
#1 Texas plays #2 Penn St (if they're both undefeated and Bama gets beat)
Rose: Oregon State automatic
Sugar: SEC Champ automatic
Orange: ACC champ automatic
Fiesta: 1st replacement pick for Texas: Oklahoma (if they have only 1 loss, they're #3 or #4, and Fiesta has a relationship with the Big 12)
Rose: 2nd replacement pick for PSU: Ohio State (to keep the conference tradition, and avoid a USC-Oreg St. rematch)
Fiesta: USC, because they can, and it's a great game
Sugar: Big East Champion or Boise St/Utah (whichever of those 2 is higher but inside the BCS top-12)
Orange: Big East Champion or Boise St/Utah (whichever of those 2 is higher but inside the BCS top-12)

Here's the likely selection process if USC is in the Rose and Penn State is in the Title Game:
#1 Texas plays #2 Penn St (if they're both undefeated and Bama gets beat)
Rose: USC automatic
Sugar: SEC Champ automatic
Orange: ACC champ automatic
Fiesta: 1st replacement pick for Texas: Oklahoma (if they have only 1 loss, they're #3 or #4, and Fiesta has a relationship with the Big 12)
Rose: 2nd replacement pick for PSU: 1-loss Alabama, if they only lose the SEC CCG (over 2-loss Ohio State, to avoid the USC-tOSU rematch)
Fiesta: Ohio State
Sugar: Big East Champion or Boise St/Utah (whichever of those 2 is higher but inside the BCS top-12)
Orange: Big East Champion or Boise St/Utah (whichever of those 2 is higher but inside the BCS top-12)
 
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Thomps, not sure that's the case unless USC goes to NC. NOONE wants to see a rematch of OSU/USC (except the OSU folk/players). If USC gets edged out, then they're a mortal lock for the Rose. Fiesta likes OSU, but not sure if the fans will travel out there (again!). Sugar is SEC land, and will they want OSU? I recall that the Bowls 'pick' from who is eligible.

OSU travels great, and the revenue (butts in the seats) is always good. I'm not sure of the order of the Bowls this year (someone more learn-ed will know I'm certain), but they pick who they want from those eligible. Heck, what Buckeye fan wants to go to the Cotton Bowl?

Hope that after the win over PSU this week end, that OSU is moved to top 5, but I'm still certain that the voters will conspire to keep OSU out of the NC, and will vault a one-loss SEC team (or Oklahoma, or even Texas if they lose in Big XII championship game) over OSU.....

Not sure I answered the question of the thread, but wanted to share my opinion....remember an opinion is like an a_ _hole, everyone's got one.

:gobucks3::gobucks4::banger:
 
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