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BCS Guru (incorrectly) projected LSU-Oklahoma State in Title Game

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TooTallMenardo;2057403; said:
It makes me so sick when someone tries making the argument you just joked about... When SEC blowhards thump their chest and list the SEC teams they beat.. Congrats! How was your OOC schedule? Oh! 2/3 of your OOC opponents were FCS teams? AWESOME!

So why is Ohio State/Big Ten constantly bashed for lack of OOC opponents, yet the SEC can get away with scheduling cupcake after cupcake, because "the SEC is SO brutal."
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Dude the Sec is Brutal..You gotta make sure you can stay focused while playing the state of mississippi..and then get ready for the state of tennessee, and then just in case you gotta beat the state of kentucky for good measure..i won't mention georgia southern and north texas or western kentucky or morthwestern state..as they don't compare to the 5 sec powerhoses lurking in the states I mentioned. Don't get me wrong we have our minnesota and indiana but at least we admit it.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2057431; said:
Dude the Sec is Brutal..You gotta make sure you can stay focused while playing the state of mississippi..and then get ready for the state of tennessee, and then just in case you gotta beat the state of kentucky for good measure..i won't mention georgia southern and north texas or western kentucky or morthwestern state..as they don't compare to the 5 sec powerhoses lurking in the states I mentioned. Don't get me wrong we have our minnesota and indiana but at least we admit it.
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Indiana is lucky they have a semi-decent basketball program... Or else I'd be calling for a replacement by now.
 
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y0yoyoin;2057418; said:
looks like were just going to have to drive to indianapolis and OCCUPY the NCAA in demand for a playoff system...every board member on here
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I'm down. Seriously it's just a joke at this point. Anyone who doesn't see the absurdity of the BCS (and the polling system) at this point is naive.
 
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scooter1369;2056671; said:
If Bama had lost to Miss St, they'd have two losses and we wouldn't be discussing this.
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Convert it to LSU losing on the road to 'Bama and 'Bama losing against Miss. St. late and I'll still stand by the zero love assessment for a BCS title nod.
And, it would still not result in a 'Bama vs. LSU BCS title game.
Diego-Bucks;2056673; said:
Its not the only elephant in the room. You want to turn it into a black-white issue when it isn't.

Alabama loses at home to LSU; emphasis AT HOME. How is a neutral site game going to change this fact? If 'Bama wins in a title game that literally means that the previous match-up didn't matter? How's that for the old NCAA Football mantra that the regular season is essentially a playoff?

OK State loses on the road. Furthermore it happened immediately after hearing some emotional news on the death of OK State's women's basketball coach someone I'm certain many of the were close with and others knew very well.

Further further, OK State has beaten 7 winning teams compared with Alabama beating 3.
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I really don't think I'm trying to turn this into a black-and-white issue. Think of it more so that I take the Cowboys loss to the Cyclones as the key deciding issue, against which all others pale.

Regarding some of your points - not taken ad seriam.

OK State lost on the road to a team they should have drilled. The women's basketball coach death is sad, but it shouldn't have those players on the football team coughing up a turkey.

I'll grant you that the Cowboys beat 7 teams with a winning record to 'Bama's 3, how that happened and why is as much a discussion on SOS and the inherent weekly beat-downs that happen in the SEC, in a year where one division is significantly better than the other, as anything else. In the end though, isn't that more an argument in favor of placing the whole thing back into the hands of the computers?

On the issue of a neutral site game versus the in season at home game. I'd say that as LSU beat 'Bama on their turf you'd expect them to be more heavily favored to beat the same team on neutral turf. What does that prove? That LSU was the better team (should that prove out). What if the result is reversed? That 'Bama was the better team on the day.

The above I'd note is one of the reasons frequently offered in favor of TSUN not replaying tOSU in '06.

What is marginally different this time around is that TSUN's only loss came on the last game of the season, against a strong opponent. By contrast, the Cowboys loss came earlier and against a far inferior opponent. It is in that sense that the entire season as a playoff argument actually applies. It matters to whom you lose, it matters when you do the losing.

Oh, and further, further if you like - the notion that Oklahoma State's conference title win counts massively in the scales (Mandel leans on this) matters only if you believe that you must win the conference title to get into that final game.

Which makes sense if there is another opponent, in another conference, with a more than comparable record - which we'd have, even more than have, if Oklahoma State had beaten Iowa State. But, they didn't manage that feat so the Cowboys are on the outs.

For the record, I don't like the outcome. The replay of 'Bama and LSU is certainly less interesting than a game between an undefeated Oklahoma State and LSU would have been.

I can't have that though. What I can have is the sense to see why Oklahoma State doesn't get sufficient votes to leap over 'Bama - something which the Cowboys most prominent and monied booster cannot see.
 
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I just took a look at common opponents between LSU and Alabama hoping for more ammo to trash the rankings. What I found is, frankly, remarkable.

Scores are listed first for LSU, then for Alabama.

Miss St....19-6 (+13).....24-7 (+17)
Florida.....41-11 (+30)...38-10 (+28)
Tenn.......38-7 (+31).....37-6 (+31)
Auburn....45-10 (+35)....42-14 (+28)
Miss.......52-3 (+49)......52-7 (+45)
Ark.........41-17 (+24)....38-14 (+24)

In only one match was the margin of victory different by more than 4 points, and then it was only 7.

The greatest difference in points scored by the winning team was 5. Greatest difference in points scored by the losing team was 4.

And when the two teams played one another it was a virtual dead heat.

Statistically this is stunning.
 
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BuckBackHome;2057441; said:
Looks like I will not be watching the "NC" game this year. The BCS has been a joke since its inception and should now be given its own death penalty. A simple 8 game playoff is in need.
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Amen.
 
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The BCS is horrid.

The only thing worse would be a playoff of more than 4 teams.

LSU is the best team in CFB - period.

Throwing out more chances for them to stumble and get upset does not solve a problem, it creates one.
 
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Oh8ch;2057495; said:
The BCS is horrid.

The only thing worse would be a playoff of more than 4 teams.

LSU is the best team in CFB - period.

Throwing out more chances for them to stumble and get upset does not solve a problem, it creates one.
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I agree.

We should abolish playoffs in every sport. Just play the regular season and crown the team "everyone knows" is the best. :roll2:
 
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Oh8ch;2057495; said:
The BCS is horrid.

The only thing worse would be a playoff of more than 4 teams.

LSU is the best team in CFB - period.

Throwing out more chances for them to stumble and get upset does not solve a problem, it creates one.
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I agree to an extent although I do feel an 8 team play-off would be alright at least that way there would be room for a team from each of the major conferences to get in (not an automatic qualifier but if they are in the top 8 they don't feel shafted due to a weaker conference).

I like your point about it causing problems like in last years march tourney uconn a 30-9 team wins it as opposed to a 34-3 osu team or a 35-3 kansas team
 
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