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ArtilleryBuck
Hall of Fame
The BCS is not perfect, but it is what we got right now. If you wanna play, you accept the system going in. The system may have some grey areas, but there are no secrets. With that being said, you should know that if you are in a Conference, you have to play your Conference schedule. But, your out of Conference games are totally up to you. You can choose to play some cupcakes so that you can get your guys game-experience without much threat of a loss (knowing that these wins won't help you much in the BCS, other than the fact that your record is still unblemished)....or you can schedule quality opponents which will give you respect with voters and improve SOS but may put an L on your record. A lot of teams may choose the first option and get away with it because there haven't been a lot of years when there have been moret than two undefeated major programs at the end of the regular season. The only problem with scheduling is the fact that you have to schedule opponents years in advance, not knowing exactly how good the team will be when you actually play them. But, when you schedule teams like the Citadel, you pretty much know what you are getting. I would like to see Auburn play for the NC, but I think that they took a chance this year with the first option, and now are going to be left out. They can choose to learn from it, or they could bitch about it. Either way, they are a good team and had a great season.
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I know for a fact that University Presidents will never support a playoff (at least not enough to ever actually have one). I hate the BCS as much as anyone, but it is what we are going to have for the undetermined future, so we'd better get used to it.
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Alan
Banned
agreed 100% bucklion......a playoff is probably never going to happen....thats why i say just play the best against the best from sept 1 on......
i would much rather see a big 12 champ 9-2 oklahoma that has faced ooc foes like virginia, florida and cal vs. a big ten champ 9-2 ohio state that faced ooc teams of vatech, texas and tennessee for all the marbles...
id take that over this year any day...
i would much rather see a big 12 champ 9-2 oklahoma that has faced ooc foes like virginia, florida and cal vs. a big ten champ 9-2 ohio state that faced ooc teams of vatech, texas and tennessee for all the marbles...
id take that over this year any day...
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buckiprof
21st Century Buckeye Man
Bucklion - I tend to agree with your point but nearly as strongly as you do. At some point in time, some university presidents will put their heads together and figure out that the amount of money that could be made from a playoff too vast to ignore.
This year is going to be a bad one for the BCS with Pitt in one game and one of Auburn, USC, or Oklahoma left out of the title game. And even though Utah has had a great season, does anyone believe that they have any chance in any BCS game unless the opponent is Pitt?
I say that if USC and Oklahoma are in the Orange Bowl then send Utah to play Auburn. Two BCS games that feature 4 undefeated teams. Winner of the USC-Ok game gets the BCS Natl Championship and have the writers vote the winner of Auburn-Utah their Natl Champion. A split championship isn't the end of the college football world as many proclaimed last year. (However, I really really doubt if the BCS folks would send Utah to get pasted by Auburn.)
This year is going to be a bad one for the BCS with Pitt in one game and one of Auburn, USC, or Oklahoma left out of the title game. And even though Utah has had a great season, does anyone believe that they have any chance in any BCS game unless the opponent is Pitt?
I say that if USC and Oklahoma are in the Orange Bowl then send Utah to play Auburn. Two BCS games that feature 4 undefeated teams. Winner of the USC-Ok game gets the BCS Natl Championship and have the writers vote the winner of Auburn-Utah their Natl Champion. A split championship isn't the end of the college football world as many proclaimed last year. (However, I really really doubt if the BCS folks would send Utah to get pasted by Auburn.)
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
it depends on how the revenue is divided. if it is done the same way as a home/away game and all the postseason proceeds have to be divided by the entire conference (which will be likely), then it will not generate nearly as much money as the bowl system.
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BuckeyeTillIDie
The North Remembers
be alarmed... word out is that Texas is going to jump Cal..
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kn1f3party
Hall of Fame
I think a playoff is ideal, but a lot would need changed to make it work. There are so many alternatives, but I feel computer rankings are necessary to get as close to unbiased as one can. Unfortunately these computers rely too heavily on the polls and not enough on opponents' opponents (strength of opponents rather than schedule--I know it seems like the same thing but it isn't).
There has to be a near perfect formula that isn't biased and could give you precisely the top 2 teams. The problem is, we're too stupid to develope it.
There has to be a near perfect formula that isn't biased and could give you precisely the top 2 teams. The problem is, we're too stupid to develope it.
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This suggestion is absurd. Auburn is #3 because they chose to play a 1AA opponent, plain and simple. The preseason rankings are irrelevent, even the pollsters would cite that it is fluid and an inexact science, and this is verified by the number of 1st and 2nd place vote Auburn has (tied with Oklahoma as of Saturday, Dec 4). A team which doesn't hold a favorable ranking from the human voters can compensate by gaining ground in the computer margin, and a quick sampling of Sagarin's ratings shows what everybody knows.Misanthrope said:
Sagarin:
#1 Southern Cal (SOS 10), vs Top-10 2-0, vs Top-30 5-0
#2 Oklahoma (SOS 23), vs Top-10 1-0, vs Top-30 4-0
#6 Auburn (SOS 72), vs Top-10 0-0, vs Top-30 3-0
Bottom line, Auburn played NOBODY OOC, and noone else in the SEC played anybody of consequence OOC either. Oklahoma's AD looks like a friggin' genius for scheduling Oregon and Bowling Green now, and Auburn is on the outside looking in. Auburn would have benefitted simply by dropping The Citadel and taking a bye instead, but they chose not to. I won't pity them when they've known since 1998 what the rules of the game are and how the BCS works.
Simply put, Auburn is #3 for playing a weak OOC schedule, against in-conference opponents who similarly played a weak OOC schedule, in a conference that wasn't as good as advertised this year, and needing a blown call by an official on a PAT to even beat LSU.
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
You guys have all made good points, but to those that say the BCS works you are crazy. They might as well make the C is BCS stand for contreversy.
I am going to give a scenario and I want the people that are for the BCS to answer it for me.
BCS
1. OKlahoma(12-0)
2. USC(11-0)
3. scUM(11-0)
4. Auburn(12-0)
5. Wisky(11-0)
6. Miami(11-0)
7. Cal(10-1)
8. Utah(11-0)
9. Boise St.(11-0)
Going by this years schedule we could of had this scenario. We have 8 undefeated teams and one very deserving 1 lose team. This could of happened because wisky and scUM didnt play each other and all the other teams could of went undefeated.
So in the BCS games we have:
Orange: Oklahoma vs. USC
Fiesta: Pitt vs. scUM
Sugar: Miami vs. Auburn
Rose: Wisky vs. Cal
First off with all these great teams at the top and we got Pitt are u kidding me.
Second: who is the most derserving of the championship game? Okie and USC because they started up there?
Third: There isnt no stregth of schedule so we are left with the pollsters.
Let me give an example: Ole Petey has a game at 11:00 eastern time and wisky started at 7 eastern time. He doesnt get to watch the game because he has a game. Also after the game he doesnt go home and watch the news to see how each team did. He just hears that Wisky won by 1 over Illinois. Ok drop them in the polls. The thing he didnt know was wisky's rb got hurt and the game was played in an inch of snow. How accurate can these coaches ratings be. They got better things to do. Then you got people in the media who have their favorites. I don't the people who actually have votes but say there is a couple that all graduated from a certain school and would like to see them in the game. Ok they vote for them.
fourth: With this system Utah gets left out in the cold. We all know that they could play with some of the good teams and they have deserved their shot at a BCS game.
My suggestion to this is make it into a playoff and let me show you what you get:
1. Oklahoma vs. 8. Utah @ okie
4. Auburn vs. 5. Wisky @ AU
3. scUM vs. 6. Miami @ the pig house
2. USC vs. 7. Cal @ USC
- Leave Pitt out because they are not ranked in the top 12.
- Home field in the first Round and split the money between all 8 schools.
- Then the next two games can be played at 2 of the BCS sites. Then have a consolation game and the championship at the other 2 sites. Have these alternate like they do now.
I am having the higher seeds win, beside scUM:
Oklahoma vs Au @ rose bowl
Miami vs USC @ Sugar Bowl
Au vs Miami (3rd and 4th place) @ Fiesta
Okie vs. USC (chamionship) @ Orange Bowl
Then to shed off all the things the people say how a playoff is bad:
1. Miss too much school.
They are already missing a week because of being at the bowl site. The first round is just like a regular game week and then the last two are just like the bowl weeks. So they miss one more week. Big Deal.
2. The whole season is a playoff. It will take away from the season.
No because it will give more teams a chance to make it into the national title hunt. All games will still matter. Just like all the games mattered today. USC, Oklahoma, Cal. They still all matter either way.
3. Some teams play weaker schedules and don't deserve to make it into these playoffs like a Utah or Boise St.
Have the BCS committee make the non conference schedule. You have to play Division I-A opponents. Make Utah play a Texas to start the year. If they win well I guess they could be deserving. Also this would give us more games at the beginning of the year that actually mean something. Unlike Auburn vs the Citadel.
4. Fans won't want to go to all three games.
Well if there are 3 games the demand is not as high and the price goes down. I know we would sell out our games. It ain't our fault teams like Miami can't get followings. Hell Miami couldnt even find enough fans to go to a national title game.
Well that is my take on the BCS and what they should do. As for this year it is ridiculous that Auburn is going to get shut out of the championship game. Yeah they played a weak non conference but no conference compares to the SEC. They beat a top 15 team twice.
The media just wants to see USC vs Oklahmoma so that is how it is going to be. They gave Oklahoma their chance last year even after the didn't win their conference and they blew it so fuck them. It is Auburns turn. It all comes down to preseason rankings. That is why USC and Oklahoma are number 1 and 2.
I am going to give a scenario and I want the people that are for the BCS to answer it for me.
BCS
1. OKlahoma(12-0)
2. USC(11-0)
3. scUM(11-0)
4. Auburn(12-0)
5. Wisky(11-0)
6. Miami(11-0)
7. Cal(10-1)
8. Utah(11-0)
9. Boise St.(11-0)
Going by this years schedule we could of had this scenario. We have 8 undefeated teams and one very deserving 1 lose team. This could of happened because wisky and scUM didnt play each other and all the other teams could of went undefeated.
So in the BCS games we have:
Orange: Oklahoma vs. USC
Fiesta: Pitt vs. scUM
Sugar: Miami vs. Auburn
Rose: Wisky vs. Cal
First off with all these great teams at the top and we got Pitt are u kidding me.
Second: who is the most derserving of the championship game? Okie and USC because they started up there?
Third: There isnt no stregth of schedule so we are left with the pollsters.
Let me give an example: Ole Petey has a game at 11:00 eastern time and wisky started at 7 eastern time. He doesnt get to watch the game because he has a game. Also after the game he doesnt go home and watch the news to see how each team did. He just hears that Wisky won by 1 over Illinois. Ok drop them in the polls. The thing he didnt know was wisky's rb got hurt and the game was played in an inch of snow. How accurate can these coaches ratings be. They got better things to do. Then you got people in the media who have their favorites. I don't the people who actually have votes but say there is a couple that all graduated from a certain school and would like to see them in the game. Ok they vote for them.
fourth: With this system Utah gets left out in the cold. We all know that they could play with some of the good teams and they have deserved their shot at a BCS game.
My suggestion to this is make it into a playoff and let me show you what you get:
1. Oklahoma vs. 8. Utah @ okie
4. Auburn vs. 5. Wisky @ AU
3. scUM vs. 6. Miami @ the pig house
2. USC vs. 7. Cal @ USC
- Leave Pitt out because they are not ranked in the top 12.
- Home field in the first Round and split the money between all 8 schools.
- Then the next two games can be played at 2 of the BCS sites. Then have a consolation game and the championship at the other 2 sites. Have these alternate like they do now.
I am having the higher seeds win, beside scUM:
Oklahoma vs Au @ rose bowl
Miami vs USC @ Sugar Bowl
Au vs Miami (3rd and 4th place) @ Fiesta
Okie vs. USC (chamionship) @ Orange Bowl
Then to shed off all the things the people say how a playoff is bad:
1. Miss too much school.
They are already missing a week because of being at the bowl site. The first round is just like a regular game week and then the last two are just like the bowl weeks. So they miss one more week. Big Deal.
2. The whole season is a playoff. It will take away from the season.
No because it will give more teams a chance to make it into the national title hunt. All games will still matter. Just like all the games mattered today. USC, Oklahoma, Cal. They still all matter either way.
3. Some teams play weaker schedules and don't deserve to make it into these playoffs like a Utah or Boise St.
Have the BCS committee make the non conference schedule. You have to play Division I-A opponents. Make Utah play a Texas to start the year. If they win well I guess they could be deserving. Also this would give us more games at the beginning of the year that actually mean something. Unlike Auburn vs the Citadel.
4. Fans won't want to go to all three games.
Well if there are 3 games the demand is not as high and the price goes down. I know we would sell out our games. It ain't our fault teams like Miami can't get followings. Hell Miami couldnt even find enough fans to go to a national title game.
Well that is my take on the BCS and what they should do. As for this year it is ridiculous that Auburn is going to get shut out of the championship game. Yeah they played a weak non conference but no conference compares to the SEC. They beat a top 15 team twice.
The media just wants to see USC vs Oklahmoma so that is how it is going to be. They gave Oklahoma their chance last year even after the didn't win their conference and they blew it so fuck them. It is Auburns turn. It all comes down to preseason rankings. That is why USC and Oklahoma are number 1 and 2.
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Yes, there still is strength of schedule, only now it only counts twice, not three times.crazybuckfan40 said:
#1) Human pollsters decide who is better based on who played who - that IS STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE (Exhibit A: Cal lost to USC and moved up in the polls)
#2) Computer polls include strength of schedule as a by-product to how teams are "linked" in their matchups. (Exhibit A: Auburn's computer poll SOS has regularly been in the 100s all season long for playing a 1AA opponent, and playing opponents who played 1AA opponents [Georgia v Georgia Southern]).
#3) In the old BCS system, SOS was calculated as it's own separate component, which is what screwed USC last year. The new system is made better by not including SOS as a separate component. In fact, the removal of these old methods is the only thing that makes it this close this year. Under the old system, Oklahoma would benefit from the separate SOS component AND the quality win component for beating Texas (#5), where Auburn would be screwed with the compounded SOS and having the lowest ranked quality win - Georgia (#7). USC would be even further ahead, having beaten Cal (#4).
The SEC's OOC record against 1A opponents this year was 21-10. Since there are 12 teams in the SEC, and most play at least 3 OOC games, if not 4, there were a minimum of 5 games where SEC teams played 1AA opponents. In all the SEC OOC games, the quality wins were LSU over Oregon State (which everyone knows LSU should've lost), Florida over Florida State, and ... well, that it, unless you want to reach for Georgia over Georgia Tech. Against the five other "BCS" conferences, the only other win was Kentucky over Indiana ... a real "defense optional" contest where both teams combined for more than 80 points. The losses include spankings by Notre Dame, Navy, Texas, Clemson, Rutgers(!), Wyoming(!!!), Memphis, Louisville, UAB, and Ohio U(!).
Auburn suffers because the SEC takes the month of September off.
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MegaWoody
All-American
SEC closed out of National Championship game
Walk a mile in Auburn's moccasins today. They have gone undefeated, won the SEC Championship and defeated more top ten teams than anybody this year, yet are closed out of the NCAA National Championship game. Whoah Nellie!
Can you imagine how ripped we would be if the same thing had happened to tOSU and Big 10 in 2002?! Or how berserk we would be if it were to happen next year?
The conference that most of the national media considers the strongest in the country can't get their undefeated champs into a national title game. And they lose out to PAC 10 and Big 12 teams in the process.
Rank the Big 12, PAC 10 and SEC in traditional order of strength. Most would probably score it 1. SEC, 2. Big 12 and 3. PAC 10. But that's the exact reverse of the order of finish this year.
This BCS system absolutely sucks. If Auburn wins their BCS bowl, we'll have a second year in a row with a major controversy over who really deserves the title National Champions.
I'm sure no SEC fan, but if it could happen to them, it could happen to us.
Walk a mile in Auburn's moccasins today. They have gone undefeated, won the SEC Championship and defeated more top ten teams than anybody this year, yet are closed out of the NCAA National Championship game. Whoah Nellie!
Can you imagine how ripped we would be if the same thing had happened to tOSU and Big 10 in 2002?! Or how berserk we would be if it were to happen next year?
The conference that most of the national media considers the strongest in the country can't get their undefeated champs into a national title game. And they lose out to PAC 10 and Big 12 teams in the process.
Rank the Big 12, PAC 10 and SEC in traditional order of strength. Most would probably score it 1. SEC, 2. Big 12 and 3. PAC 10. But that's the exact reverse of the order of finish this year.
This BCS system absolutely sucks. If Auburn wins their BCS bowl, we'll have a second year in a row with a major controversy over who really deserves the title National Champions.
I'm sure no SEC fan, but if it could happen to them, it could happen to us.
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