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Based on JT's history, OSU will never have a high powered offense

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I for one don't want a new coach or some funky TT type offense. I just don't see any reason on earth why a school like OSU cant be among the top 40-50 teams in 1A football in offense. Not with our talent and resources to attract the top coaches.

I don't think thats asking too much or looking for greener pastures. I think a lot of the frustration is due to the fact we know our own pastures are pretty damn green but don't get to enjoy them.

Take USC, or some old Miami teams, the 90's Cowboys, 80's 49ers...whoever you want and you'll find they are all superior defensive teams but what made them dynasty's was an equally dominant and dangerous offense. Thats the component we lack and untill we get it fixed we can only be a very good team, not a dominant one.

My contention remains unchanged; you don't have to be bad offensively to be a great defensive team.
 
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I would take this even a step further: having a dominating defense should help the team's output on offense. What we've seen so far this year is OSU's offense routinely getting great field position, due to the turnovers the Bucks' defense creates (not to mention the phenomenal return game). Combine this with the fact that opposing defenses routinely get short rests between series because their offenses can't sustain anything against OSU's D. Under those circumstances, an adequate but pedestrian OSU offense should be putting up 30+ points a game. A hugely talented offense should obviously put up more, even with a ball-control type of approach.

I liked your analogies to other teams, Jaxbuck. I'd maybe look even more to teams like the Steelers of the '70's, the '85 Bears, or the '86 Giants. These were teams that were built on the foundation of dominant defenses, but they had weapons on offense who put points on the board, and their effectiveness in this respect was only helped by their defenses' dominance.
 
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zincfinger said:
I would take this even a step further: having a dominating defense should help the team's output on offense. What we've seen so far this year is OSU's offense routinely getting great field position, due to the turnovers the Bucks' defense creates (not to mention the phenomenal return game). Combine this with the fact that opposing defenses routinely get short rests between series because their offenses can't sustain anything against OSU's D. Under those circumstances, an adequate but pedestrian OSU offense should be putting up 30+ points a game. A hugely talented offense should obviously put up more, even with a ball-control type of approach.

I liked your analogies to other teams, Jaxbuck. I'd maybe look even more to teams like the Steelers of the '70's, the '85 Bears, or the '86 Giants. These were teams that were built on the foundation of dominant defenses, but they had weapons on offense who put points on the board, and their effectiveness in this respect was only helped by their defenses' dominance.
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Actually the 85 Bears, the 86 Giants and the 00 Ravens are all examples of great defensive teams that won in spite of a sub par offense. They also all won once and were then merely a very good team for a while. The true dynasty's were the teams with a potent offense and a great defense.

Hopefully JT aspires to be the 70's Steelers more than the 85 Bears but so far it appears thats all we are going to be.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Actually the 85 Bears, the 86 Giants and the 00 Ravens are all examples of great defensive teams that won in spite of a sub par offense. They also all won once and were then merely a very good team for a while. The true dynasty's were the teams with a potent offense and a great defense.

Hopefully JT aspires to be the 70's Steelers more than the 85 Bears but so far it appears thats all we are going to be.
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I've heard some argue that JT's Buckeye teams remind them of the Ravens.

Personally, I still think they will get this thing rolling on offense, the Iowa game would be none too soon.
 
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sandgk said:
I've heard some argue that JT's Buckeye teams remind them of the Ravens.

Personally, I still think they will get this thing rolling on offense, the Iowa game would be none too soon.
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If they put 30+ up on Iowa and look like the offense we saw week 1 I'll shut up, but after 4 years of waiting for the offense to start rolling in the next game color me skeptical.

I think the Ravens (other than the low life thug players) are a very good analogy to what we have going on here. Just like us they can go ahead and write off any season that the defense is anything less than dominant because the offensive woes are institutionilized.
 
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:osu: Jax is right. I can understand having a very good D gives good reason to be conservative on O but at the same time it also gives you the luxury to take more chances down field on O. Pass deep more often down the sideline - no reason why they don't do it 3 or 4 time a half. What's the problem with the O? Most of it is a matter of choice. This might be wrong but till I see them try it....?....they surely have the talent to give it a shot
 
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i totally agree... there is however, something to be said about a "MISTAKE FREE, opportunistic offense." take away offensive (especially QB) mistakes, and we put up 40 on Texas, and 40 on SDSU... it appears that the offense is not holding up their end of the bargain...

i also would like to point out the scUM game in '02... after The Game, Tim May asked Coach Tressel what his father would have said in that situation... Tressel answered, "Well, i think he would say that i need to score more points," which to me, at least, is indicitive of Tressel's cognizance of the offensive struggles... i just think that he isn't really sure how to fix it... i mean, it looks good on paper, but on the field is a different story...

i think the lack of production is a practice issue... and i cannot completely write off Tressel as a quarterback coach or an offensive mind... i recall Tressel repeatedly making Bellisari throw the ball out of bounds in practice, until he stopped forcing the ball into impossible coverages... as a result, Bells was playing without a doubt the best ball of his career before his untimely DUI...

IMHO, the Staff must force Troy to stand in the pocket and go through his progressions... they need to eliminate the QB runs from the playbook until he stops pulling the ball down and taking off... it seems that the designed runs have caused him to think the green light to run on pass plays is on at all times... until Troy starts going through his progressions and delivering the ball to the open man, the Defenses will still load up the box against the run, and the O will struggle... once Troy starts making the DBs back up and repect the pass, the run will open up, and all will be well in the world...
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I agree that TS must distribute the ball better. The ball ends up in his hands too often leaving too few touches for Ginn and Holmes. Read the Press conference transcript. JT says he will not discourage TS from pulling it down and running because the Bucks get about 10 ypc on the "step ups" which is more than is gained on designed run plays.

The other thing is that once JT has a lead and the defense is playing well, he will play to shorten the game by keeping the clock running and try to keep possession of the ball instead of making a quick strike. One of the offensive goals is to sustain drives for more than 8 plays. With the field position provided by the special teams, the Bucks are suddenly in the red zone without a power running game.
 
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spotpass said:
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I hear ya but I said pass. Some plays they need to forget about progressions and say we are going deep to such & such down the sideline.
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You're kidding, right? What if the WR running the deep pattern is double-covered?

You always go through the progressions when pass protection allows, regardless of who the initial target is...
 
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. Pass deep more often down the sideline - no reason why they don't do it 3 or 4 time a half.
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Read Conley's article on BN$...the deep routes are being run, but the progression is not happening.
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as has been noted. then who is responsible...
 
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