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Based on JT's history, OSU will never have a high powered offense

Actually the 85 Bears, the 86 Giants and the 00 Ravens are all examples of great defensive teams that won in spite of a sub par offense. They also all won once and were then merely a very good team for a while. The true dynasty's were the teams with a potent offense and a great defense.

Hopefully JT aspires to be the 70's Steelers more than the 85 Bears but so far it appears thats all we are going to be.
Yes the 85 Bears offense wasn't greatbut they did have a power running game that was very effective in controlling the clock. The power running game compliments a great defense buy killing clock,preventing big play turnovers,etc. JT would be in 7th heaven if OSU could run the ball like the 85 Bears, I believe they were the no 1 running team in yards in the NFL. If OSU had a power running game like that the NC trophy would be In Columbus and we might just have 3.
 
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Bollman speaks out (sort of). I would opt for suggestion #1 - it's time to start looking at some other people, and Brian Robiskie at a WR spot may not be a bad idea.

Bollman says offense isn’t ready to panic
Coordinator: Players realize they haven’t played their best
Friday, September 23, 2005
Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Jim Bollman knows there is dissatisfaction among fans concerning the the Ohio State offense, but the offensive coordinator says the coaching staff has enough on its plate without letting the criticism hit home.

"What good does it do to let that stuff affect us, unless you use it as a motivating factor?" he said yesterday while preparing for the Big Ten opener against Iowa on Saturday. "It’s no secret: I’ve never been anywhere where you didn’t want to keep improving; it didn’t matter how well you did.

"So what are you going to do, turn around and hide? Or are you just going to try to keep improving. . . . You either need to look at some different people, or the people that are in there keep working and get better at what we’re doing. That’s where we’re headed."

It was interesting, though, that in the wake of a 27-6 win over San Diego State last Saturday, the coaches opted not to award any offensive awards to the team. The players had no problem with that, Bollman said, because they understood that even though the offense appears loaded with weapons such as receivers Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn Jr. and Anthony Gonzalez, it isn’t producing on a grand scale.

"They were the ones giving themselves bad marks," Bollman said. "They have some expectations and we have some expectations, and I don’t think that last week anyone felt overexuberant about the production or the way we played."

The ifs-and-buts list is long from the past two games, especially the three or four pass plays the Buckeyes missed against Texas that might have blown that game open instead of what turned out to be a 25-22 loss.

"The most important thing to me is that everybody stays together and locked in there as a really strong unit," Bollman said, "because there’s a lot of good people who can have the ball. They’ve got to all stay on the same page and stay together and not worry about who is getting the ball. Let that happen as it may, and go play as a team."

Enhancing the rotation

Defensive lineman Vernon Gholston has been cleared to play, defensive coordinator Jim Heacock said after practice yesterday. Gholston missed the first three games after undergoing surgery to repair a broken thumb. He had been listed on the twodeep roster going into camp.

Meanwhile, Heacock said linebacker Mike D’Andrea appears on track to returning for the game at Penn State on Oct. 8. He added that linebacker Marcus Freeman, who developed an infection following arthroscopic knee surgery after the season opener, might be back in three weeks.

Is it the Shot - Gonzo ?

Ohio State unveiled a shotgun formation last season that featured Ginn lining on the edge of the backfield. It was christened the Shot-Ginn. The past two weeks, Gonzalez — his teammates call him Gonzo — has lined up in that spot a few times when Ginn wasn’t on the field. So should folks call it the Shot-Gonzo?

"To me it’s ‘Red Rex,’ " Gonzalez said. "I don’t know what it is for everybody else."

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Holmes is in a class by himself.

OHIO STATE FOOTBALL
Smarts, savvy put Holmes at head of receivers’ class
Friday, September 23, 2005
Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
NEAL C . LAURON | DISPATCH
‘‘My main focus when I’m running down the field is to never put my hands up to let the DB know that the ball is coming. And I never want to be gazing at the ball with the big eyes. I want to stay relaxed."

If Ohio State receiver Santonio Holmes decides to do a book about the fine art of receiving, he should consider using Anthony Gonzalez as the author.

It wouldn’t even have to be an "as told to" effort. Gonzalez, also an OSU receiver, has been taking mental notes on his teammate’s game for several years. He already has a preface.

"I have said for quite some time I think Santonio is the best receiver in the country," Gonzalez said. "Maybe it’s just because of the attention that’s going to Ted (Ginn Jr.), everybody is starting to realize that as well. When (Holmes) makes great plays, it is no surprise to me whatsoever, because I know what kind of talent he is and what kind of person he is."

So what sets Holmes apart?

"A lot of it might be instinct," Gonzalez said. "I have to study guys like him and make sure I can pick up his little nuances and things he does to create that little bit of separation that maybe your average receiver can’t do."

Holmes is the first to admit he was blessed with above-average athletic ability. But what usually separates the exceptional from the good, as Gonzalez pointed out, is the ability to gain, well, separation.

Indeed, a knack for creating space is treasured in any sport in which a ball or puck is involved. Early on, it can be achieved by just turning on the jets. But higher up the career ladder, the opposition improves, or in a receiver’s case, the coverage gets tighter.

Now what? That was a question Ray McDonald posed to Holmes years ago back in their hometown of Belle Glade, Fla. McDonald, who had played receiver at Florida, took Holmes under his wing.

"He taught me a lot of stuff that I needed to know about playing the game and getting open," Holmes said. "I didn’t just listen to what he had to say. I took the initiative to get out on the field and do everything he taught me."

Such as accelerating to a thrown ball in Terry Glenn fashion. Ohio State fans saw it in a seasonopening win over Miami University and on his touchdown catch in a loss to Texas.

"That is something I pride myself on, knowing that when the ball is in the air, I have control," Holmes said.

That burst is powered more by guile than adrenaline. A one-step head start on the defensive back makes the difference.

"My main focus when I’m running down the field is to never put my hands up to let the DB know that the ball is coming," Holmes said. "And I never want to be gazing at the ball with the big eyes. I want to stay relaxed.

"If you keep that same composure, the DB is going to think, ‘All right, he’s just running deep. They’re not throwing him the ball.’ Then at the last second you show your hands and make the big play."

Gonzalez already could write a couple of chapters on such stuff.

"He’s an extremely intelligent football player," he said of Holmes. "I think that is overlooked a lot. In my opinion, he is one of the smartest players out there. He is always aware of everything."

Then Holmes piles guile on top of proper technique.

"He is an exceptional route runner, he has great hands, and he always seems to make plays," Gonzalez said. "You watch him and you think, ‘Man, it looks so easy when he does it. Why can’t everybody do that?’ He just has a knack for making plays."

Which raises the question of why Holmes doesn’t have more than 13 catches in an OSU offense that has been inconsistent through its first three games. But as Holmes pointed out, the Buckeyes have spread the ball around, with Roy Hall getting 11 catches and Ginn and Gonzalez 10 each.

In the game of creating space, it helps to have other receivers involved. Not that Holmes wants the defense to be able to dictate whether he gets his chances, anyway.

"A lot of teams are probably going to doubleteam me a lot, but who cares?" Holmes said. "If we go in with a game plan that says they’ve got to call my number 15 times, at least 10 of those I’ve got to turn into catches and big plays.

"I don’t care what the defense is doing. I just want to get out there and make something happen."

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"The most important thing to me is that everybody stays together and locked in there as a really strong unit," Bollman said, "because there’s a lot of good people who can have the ball. They’ve got to all stay on the same page and stay together and not worry about who is getting the ball. Let that happen as it may, and go play as a team."

I was at the game last week, and I noticed Ted Ginn get visibly frustrated (i.e. jumping up and down after the play) when the pass didn't come his way and he was open. I wonder if the above quote applies.
 
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"The most important thing to me is that everybody stays together and locked in there as a really strong unit," Bollman said, "because there’s a lot of good people who can have the ball. They’ve got to all stay on the same page and stay together and not worry about who is getting the ball. Let that happen as it may, and go play as a team."

I was at the game last week, and I noticed Ted Ginn get visibly frustrated (i.e. jumping up and down after the play) when the pass didn't come his way and he was open. I wonder if the above quote applies.

I don't think it was my imagination, but Ginn and Smith seemed to be jawing at each other in the huddle during the Texas game after Teddy dropped a ball thrown by Smith. Bollman's statement confirms what I and now others have been noticing through body language the past 2 games.
 
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I was at the game last week, and I noticed Ted Ginn get visibly frustrated (i.e. jumping up and down after the play) when the pass didn't come his way and he was open. I wonder if the above quote applies.

I can understand his frustration, provided he's indeed open. Still, Ginn needs to keep the antics down a bit...
 
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I can't reread every post since saturday, so forgive me if I've missed this trend in opinions... but isn't it possible that Troy got a lot better with another week of reps? Zwick had 5 weeks before the texas game... with a slight dropoff in reps before Texas. Smith finally got to split reps before texas, and then one week of SDSU prep. So that puts his practice as 1.5 weeks of #1. I don't think a big time QB should be rusty, but it seemed to help to have another week of prep.

On another note, do 1460 callers want 700 yards of offense? If we hold onto the ball, we score at least 40 and have 550 yards of offense. Against an iowa offense that can't do ANYTHING, what more do we need?

Do people see how many stickers are on Ginn's helmet? Yet they still call in and say he's not doing anything. Could he be more involved? probably... but he's blocking and decoying extremely well.

I think we could improve on offense by not sitting on the ball in the second half, but when we throw it deep, go over the century mark with both Smith and Pittman, watch our #3 threat go nuts (which will terrify opposing DC's)... etc., what more do people want?

What happened last year, people? We got pasted. Personally, if we know we're gonna win by 20+, I think its gotta be fantastic to tell Iowa you're gonna run and then do so effectively. Nothing is more demoralizing for these high and mighty LBers from Iowa. Let them drop into coverage and they can make a play. Run it down their throats with high school caliber DL not pulling their weight, and their life becomes as miserable as Drew Tate's.

* - the anger is towards callers
 
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No doubt about it, this past weeks performance certainly had the look of a high powerd offense. Its looked the exact opposite so many times the past 4 years that I'll wait and see if it can be done for more than 1 game before I say the O is indeed high powered.
 
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Winslow, man -- don't waste your time getting mad at call-in show geeks (or losers on Bustnuts, either). There have always been that cadre of Ohio State "fans" that find something to complain about in any win or any season. Some of the very same people who now wax poetic about how wonderful the 2002 NC season was, the storybook ending, how clutch Krenzel was, etc. were some of the same people screaming for Krenzel's head half the year, how McMullen should have started, how Tressel was running a "high school offense"...and it goes back waaaay further than that.

Heck, back in the 1950's when my mother was an undergrad, a popular song amongst students went like this: "We come to sing Ohio's praise, and say good bye to Woody Hayes!"

Nothing changes. Just enjoy the season and turn off the idiots.
 
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I can understand his frustration, provided he's indeed open. Still, Ginn needs to keep the antics down a bit...
did you happen to notice after Gonzo's second TD, when he and Holmes were doing the leaping high five, Teddy was running over to celebrate with them; but they just ran to the sideline, and left him standing there all alone... he hung his head and visibly slumped...

i feel bad for him... he obviously wants to play defense, as was demonstrated by him penciling his name in on the defensive two deep all through camp, yet he is stuck playing his second position, and has seemingly been relegated to the afterthought/decoy role... though he showed flashes of his greatness on the couple passes that he caught. he wasn't dancing around, but he was making defenders miss, and turning what should have been 7 yard gains into 15-20 yard gains... i really hope that the punt return sparks something, and he gets back on track, but right now Teddy is visibly discouraged, and that is not good...
 
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did you happen to notice after Gonzo's second TD, when he and Holmes were doing the leaping high five, Teddy was running over to celebrate with them; but they just ran to the sideline, and left him standing there all alone... he hung his head and visibly slumped...
I've noticed this in a few celebrations as well. The kid is a team player (as seen by his excitement after others score), but if he knows he's the decoy, that has to be hard (I doubt they plan on skipping Ginn, but very well may design plays to shift the D to him and slide Gonzo/Holmes into the open spots).

Teams will stop focusing on him, seeing how open Gonzo and Holmes have been lately. Next game will be an excellent game to view defensive shifts to stop everyone (not just ginn), as that defense will be the best we'll face until a bowl game.
 
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good point on the D having to play everyone, and not just concentrate on Holmes and Ginn, though i think it was somewhat of a coaching gaffe by Iowa's D staff to leave Greenway lined up against Gonzo... the nickel is a much better alignment against our spread...


speaking of our spread, i think that they would have a little more success if they- ugh, this sounds lame- spread it out more... i don't mean more spread sets, i mean taking the existing sets and stretching them out further towards the sidelines... when we are in the shot-Ginn, the widest WR (on the bunch side) is only like 5-7 yards away from the tackle... is it really a spread if all three receivers are inside the hashes? i realize that it's really a modified bunch or trips formation, but, IMHO, if you strech the formation out a bit more horizontally, when they throw the little swing screen to Teddy, there will be more room for him to get to the edge or cut up in between the blockers...

anyway... i love the shot-Ginn, and think it shows Coach Tressel's ability to innovate and adjust... John Gruden runs a lot of similar looking bunch, tight spread sets, and people call him an offensive guru... but they think Tressel doesn't know what he's doing-- go figure...
 
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Actually the 85 Bears, the 86 Giants and the 00 Ravens are all examples of great defensive teams that won in spite of a sub par offense. They also all won once and were then merely a very good team for a while. The true dynasty's were the teams with a potent offense and a great defense.

Hopefully JT aspires to be the 70's Steelers more than the 85 Bears but so far it appears thats all we are going to be.

Arguably true, and while I'm not talking about dynasties per se, I'd say that the offenses of the '85 Bears and '86 Giants were made more effective than they otherwise would have been, by their respective defenses' dominance. They both averaged 25 ppg which, while not stratospheric, isn't too bad considering that, aside from the occassional Payton and Bavaro, there weren't a lot of superstars on offense.
 
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Arguably true, and while I'm not talking about dynasties per se, I'd say that the offenses of the '85 Bears and '86 Giants were made more effective than they otherwise would have been, by their respective defenses' dominance. They both averaged 25 ppg which, while not stratospheric, isn't too bad considering that, aside from the occassional Payton and Bavaro, there weren't a lot of superstars on offense.

Jim McMahon and Willie Gault weren't chopped liver.
 
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