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Based on JT's history, OSU will never have a high powered offense

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Id rather watch a shutout thant a 63 - 10 romp.
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What's wrong with a 63 - 0 romp? (the best of both worlds!) Right now, the point is everyone would be happy if we could consistently score 28+, let alone 60+

This offense will not outscore Michigan State. I like our defense, but if the Drew Stanton that played the first half against Notre Dame shows up for 4 quarters then we'll get an L. No matter how good the defense is you've still got to score more than the bad guys.
 
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LV - yeah, it's not as if I'm wholly adverse to a good Offense... Just meant I'm not gonna worry much about this one.

I think as the season progresses, we'll see a better product. Maybe I'm too optomistic. I just tend to think Tress' O builds on itself as the year goes on.
 
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In Division II you can get by with a one dimensional team and of the two, a defense is going to win you more championships than an offense. But you can't do it very often in Division 1. The 02 - 03 team is the rare exception... and that was a team that when a certain halfback was healthy could lay the lumber on you from BOTH sides of the ball.

I can't imagine a blue chip running back, quarterback, receiver who'd want to play in Columbus if our offense remains as sick as it has been. What do you sell him on? Go to Columbus and be the one that shows the offensive coaches how to score?
 
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lvbuckeye said:
i agree with you in priciple, BKB...

however, i do NOT have fun watching the O continually shoot itsself in the foot... i was banging my head against the wall on Sat as i watched the O consistantly screw up... it's not one thing you can pin it on either... it's like one units screws up on each play...

either the O-line missed the blocking assignments, or the RB slips or misses the hole, or the WRs run the wrong route, or the QB doesn't see the open man, or the WR drops the ball, or-- well, you get it...

honestly, i don't think there's anything wrong with the approach or the playcalling, but i get VERY frustrated when the only consistency is that the O consistently manages to screw up...

PLEASE give me a nice clean drive, a la the first against Miami, three times a game! is that too much to ask? i'm not asking to score every time we have the ball, but... come on... is the concentration not there, or they are trying too hard? which is it? can't we just get to a happy medium? i'm not asking for 50 points a game, but there is just no reason they can't put up 35 per with the talent that they have...
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I agree I think everyone was frustrated after the offensive performance, even coach T.

I just think it comes down to execution. It we catch the ball, and make a couple different reads then we are not having this conversation. That is what it always seems like.

I think it comes down to Execution and relaxing, going out there and having some fun.

Another thing I don't understand is all the people saying that Troy is pulling the ball down too early to run. There were times in the game against SDSU that he looked to 2 or 3 recievers and the pocket broke down and he took off, and other times when he saw the opening and took it. I think if Smith thinks he can get more yards by running on the particular play you have to trust his judgement.

I didnt see anyone criticizing him for running against scUM last year. I do agree I would like him to look down the field a little more, but that is going to come, they are going to have to loosen the defense up and Tress knows this.
 
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I hate it when people start a whining thread without taking a good look at the stats they posted. In the years that YSU made it to the national title game, YSU put serious points on the board:

1991: 59, 57, 40, 30 (two RBs w/1000+ yards)
1992: 49, 48, 42, 42, 34, 30
1993: 56, 56, 42, 42, 38, 35, 34
1994: 52, 41 (vs. I-A Akron) also scored 63 against Alcorn St., but 4 TDs were scored by defense
1997: 52, 45, 44, 37, 34, 33, 32, 31
1999: 44, 43, 41, 31, 30

Smith missed 2-3 wide open receivers for TDs Saturday, plus Schnittker's goal line fumble. Put those on the board, and we score 48.
 
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It seems to me that neither of the two starting QB's has played well enough to make the offense roll the way we all know it can. I thought the offensive line played pretty well on Saturday but Troy didn't throw the ball the way we need a QB to throw in a spread offense. Once our QB play improves (if it does), then our offense will improve as well.
 
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I'm not whining. I'm just providing information for people to make their own conclusions. At what point in that post am I bitching about anything?

I like JT. I just don't expect us ever to have the kind of offense people on these boards expect us to have.
 
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GoBucks89 said:
It seems to me that neither of the two starting QB's has played well enough to make the offense roll the way we all know it can. I thought the offensive line played pretty well on Saturday but Troy didn't throw the ball the way we need a QB to throw in a spread offense. Once our QB play improves (if it does), then our offense will improve as well.
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OL played alright, but sims isn't playing much like a captain.
 
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cincibuck said:
I can't imagine a blue chip running back, quarterback, receiver who'd want to play in Columbus if our offense remains as sick as it has been. What do you sell him on? Go to Columbus and be the one that shows the offensive coaches how to score?
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Whoah there cinci - back off the ledge ...

Blue Chip RB - Wells -- incoming class '06,Maurice Wells incoming class of '05, Eric Haw -- what chopped liver??
Blue Chip WR -- what we have not got excellent WR already??
Blue Chip QB -- Elite 11 do? Unless I am mistaken RS and TB fit that bill very well, both recent recruits. (And you have JZ was a highly heralded QB - how that is/has worked out is a different story entirely).
 
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I wish the running game had been more successful. That is a SERIOUS concern going into the Iowa game.

I just don't know how I feel at this point.

One day I feel like the coaches doin't give this team the opportunity to put points up because the kids are so scared of making a mistake that they pucker up come game time.

One day I feel like it's the kids not executing well.

It is frustrating.
 
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Tlangs said:
What has he done except for one good game agains Michigan to earn the trust of the coaching staff, players, fans, etc?
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Well first off he is 5-1 as a starter.

He is 87/159 for 1123 yds through 10 games, keep in mind about 3 of those games he didnt play the whole game. His Td/int is 9-3 That is 3-1 that is really good.

He has 109 rushing att. for 453 = 4.1 yds/carry.

He has accounted for a total of 13 tds in 10 games.

Those are some good stats, not over the top, but respectable.

Ok back to topic I think some people are ready to jump off the bridge. I don't understand We won, yeah we struggled we played to the level of our competition and it was a big trap game after a tough loss and our big ten opener against a team that we have revenge on the mind.

I know you might think I am making excuses for our team, but these are only kids and sometimes you just don't get as hyped to play a team that you think is not very good.

And as Mili said a play here and a play there and no fumble and we lay 48 on this team and no one is talking. Just b/c we are not trying to run up the score doesnt mean we are not a good offense. Once we start executing we will see better things.
 
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