I'll admit that one psychology course I took in college had these exact requirements. I took it pass/fail, did the minimum, and passed the course. But it didn't affect my GPA.
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I'll admit that one psychology course I took in college had these exact requirements. I took it pass/fail, did the minimum, and passed the course. But it didn't affect my GPA.
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At last a site where the prevailing theme on this subject is not to distrust the research because it was done by the NYTimes. That reflects a sort of juvenile whistling past the graveyard mentality, motivated mostly by dislike of the Times political bent. Each big paper gets its share of bad apple reporters or sloppy research, but the Times is still the standard by which most normal folks measure the quality of a piece.
Having said that, a) I suspect the article raises pretty accurate and serious questions about Auburn, and b) I also suspect that most major programs have examples of similar problems. But only some, and probably especially the SEC, whom I totally distrust where athletic academics are involved, have not so subtly institutionalized such misdeeds as a byproduct of their desire to win at all costs. tOSU was accused of that back in the '20s and 30s, perhaps subsequently, but I suspect much of those shenanigans have been cleared up.
It is one thing for a rogue prof or two with a closely held, secret desire to enhance athletic acadamic performance. The danger is when a school looks the other way or even openly encourages such nonsense. The MC affair and accusations certainly raised the issue recently for us, but I think the passage of time and investigation has demonstrated there wasn't much there. No doubt Auburn is on the hotseat now.
Go Bucks!
Having said that, a) I suspect the article raises pretty accurate and serious questions about Auburn, and b) I also suspect that most major programs have examples of similar problems. But only some, and probably especially the SEC, whom I totally distrust where athletic academics are involved, have not so subtly institutionalized such misdeeds as a byproduct of their desire to win at all costs. tOSU was accused of that back in the '20s and 30s, perhaps subsequently, but I suspect much of those shenanigans have been cleared up.
It is one thing for a rogue prof or two with a closely held, secret desire to enhance athletic acadamic performance. The danger is when a school looks the other way or even openly encourages such nonsense. The MC affair and accusations certainly raised the issue recently for us, but I think the passage of time and investigation has demonstrated there wasn't much there. No doubt Auburn is on the hotseat now.
Go Bucks!
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20s or 30s? Heck, Mike Freeman at the same NYTimes accused OSU of that very thing back in the 02s and 03s!
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20s or 30s? Heck, Mike Freeman at the same NYTimes accused OSU of that very thing back in the 02s and 03s!
Hey, don't be flippin' your digits at the senior guy!
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RLC65
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"20s or 30s? Heck, Mike Freeman at the same NYTimes accused OSU of that very thing back in the 02s and 03s" by Dryden
Uhhh...isn't that what I kind of addressed above? "The MC affair and accusations certainly raised the issue recently for us, but I think the passage of time and investigation has demonstrated there wasn't much there. "
I don't know if most have read the hilarious James Thurber piece about the OSU tackle in his class and the choo choo train or whatever. It was a '20s piece I think, and can be found via google. It was that sort of thing that I was referring to back those many decades.
Here is an excerpt:
Cheer, cheer for Bolanciecwcz,
He is our one-man blitz.
Well, Boley fouls up on the grades, see, and it looks as if he's going to flunk out, so what do they do? They set up an oral exam for him. I can't remember much of the movie -- I was just a wee child when I saw it -- but this scene is very vivid. The exam is in a big room, and practically the whole student body is there, rooting for Boley. The test consists of one question: Name a method of transportation.
Boley is stumped. The professor tries to help him. "How did you get here?" he asks. "On a scholarship."
"Choo, choo, choo," the students are chanting. Finally one of them yells out, "What do you do to get in shape, Boley?"
"Train," he says.
"That is correct," says the professor. Everyone cheers. Yaaay! Boley passed!
Go Bucks!
Uhhh...isn't that what I kind of addressed above? "The MC affair and accusations certainly raised the issue recently for us, but I think the passage of time and investigation has demonstrated there wasn't much there. "
I don't know if most have read the hilarious James Thurber piece about the OSU tackle in his class and the choo choo train or whatever. It was a '20s piece I think, and can be found via google. It was that sort of thing that I was referring to back those many decades.
Here is an excerpt:
Cheer, cheer for Bolanciecwcz,
He is our one-man blitz.
Well, Boley fouls up on the grades, see, and it looks as if he's going to flunk out, so what do they do? They set up an oral exam for him. I can't remember much of the movie -- I was just a wee child when I saw it -- but this scene is very vivid. The exam is in a big room, and practically the whole student body is there, rooting for Boley. The test consists of one question: Name a method of transportation.
Boley is stumped. The professor tries to help him. "How did you get here?" he asks. "On a scholarship."
"Choo, choo, choo," the students are chanting. Finally one of them yells out, "What do you do to get in shape, Boley?"
"Train," he says.
"That is correct," says the professor. Everyone cheers. Yaaay! Boley passed!
Go Bucks!
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There is certainly a fishy smell down in Auburn...there is no way a professor could take that kind of load of legit courses
Also, the fact that Auburn has a higher academic rating than Vanderbilt is compeltely laughable and probably should have initiated an investigation in itself :)
Also, the fact that Auburn has a higher academic rating than Vanderbilt is compeltely laughable and probably should have initiated an investigation in itself :)
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We ought to remind ND fans of this if they ever mention the unassailable character of their graduates:
Gotta love them bobble-heads behind him in the picture:tongue2:
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This info is taken from a graphic that accompanied the NY Times article. Vanderbilt was not only behind Auburn in APR, but Florida and Ole Miss too (which both actually had worse graduation rates than AU, and the integrity of AU's degrees are clearly questionable now).
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The numbers for Auburn seem to indicate that they've figured out how to 'play the game' to maximize the APR.
But it's worth noting that the graduation rates look to be taken for a period of time that doesn't have much overlap with the years used in the APR calculations. (Almost all of those who started in the 97-98 academic year should be done by the start of the 2003-04 academic year).
But it's worth noting that the graduation rates look to be taken for a period of time that doesn't have much overlap with the years used in the APR calculations. (Almost all of those who started in the 97-98 academic year should be done by the start of the 2003-04 academic year).
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I've noticed this too after going over a ton of APR reports. The figures measure a period of time that implies a university keeping the athletes for five or even six years, which is somewhat disingenuous given these are SAs in pursuit of a four year degree to begin with, and many will only be around for three.
The APRs that the NY Times used and mention in the article do not actually measure the same time period or athletes which are alleged to have been fast tracked to degrees by signing up with Professor Petee.
All that I can infer from these APR numbers is that Terry Bowden was a cheat, which was pretty much confirmed during his messy departure. What I think the story hints to is that Auburn's ridiculous APR numbers will actually go up even higher for the next two years.
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