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MaxBuck;1615514; said:
Shouldn't be too hard against that "ole" defense.
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Shouldn't be too hard against that "ole" defense.
LordJeffBuck;1614677; said:I don't know - probably. Let's see what kind of media love Terrelle Pryor gets next year, when the media will need a new darling.
That's just it, we don't know which is why I have thought about this situation for well over a year now. If pressed to give an answer after 12+ months of contemplation, I lean slightly to no mainly because I don't know if his story would have been promoted as much. That is, I don't know if his story would have been promoted as much by OSU.
I've never bought the theory that the media hates Ohio State. Sure, we see Buckeye hit pieces from time to time, but every school gets those. The AP poll, which is comprised of media voters, always seems to rank the Buckeyes about where they belong. In the recent past, the media have pimped Buckeye players like James Laurinaitis and Malcolm Jenkins, for example.
Basically, I agree with this. I have noticed that last year and this year, the media tends to have OSU highly ranked as a 2 loss team. I seem to remember that last year, the final few regular season polls OSU was the highest ranked 2 loss team. In this year's final AP poll, only 2-loss Oregon is ranked higher than OSU.
My only disagreement is with certain segments of the media. In 2002 certain segments of the media claimed during the season that OSU was lucky and that their luck would run out. These same segments this year referred to Iowa's run as exhibiting how a great team finds ways to win.
This lack of consistency is some of the few times that I say some segments have an issue with OSU. And these same segments also thought Iowa would beat OSU this year.
I think that the "media hate" is more a perception of an overly sensitive, insecure fan base than it is a reality. Any actual media hate is likely the result of three factors: (1) Ohio State is a large target that is always in the media spotlight, (2) Ohio State (and the Big Ten in general) has a ready-made media template (big, fat, slow farm boys), and (3) Jim Tressel is not cozy with the media and doesn't give a great interview. It doesn't help matters that Jim Tressel's offensive game plans often look like they were specifically designed for a team full of big, fat, slow farm boys, which just serves to reinforce the media template described in point number two. :)
See above. Again I basically agree with this except for the stuff mentioned above.
Personally, many in Buckeye Nation will find a slight or example of media hate at the drop of a hat. I guess the old saying, "You find what you seek" applies.
Look, a team that habitually loses big games on the national stage deserves negative attention from the media, and that's exactly what Ohio State has gotten over the past three years. The Buckeyes take plenty of shit from their own fans, yet we expect the media to treat them with kid gloves? Ain't gonna happen. Right now, the media has no reason to admit that they have been wrong about Ohio State, because, quite frankly, they haven't been wrong. The Buckeyes have lost their last five big-time out-of-conference games - Florida in 2006, LSU in 2007, USC in 2008, Texas in 2008, and USC in 2009 - and, to be honest, they haven't exactly looked like lean, athletic, thoroughbreds in doing so. The Buckeyes need to string together some impressive victories - Oregon in the Rose Bowl, Miami next September, maybe even a BCS championship game - before the media template is going to change. Beating other teams that fit Ohio State's template (i.e. other Big Ten teams) just isn't going to impress the national media, who are looking for a different template ... just like guys who want MMA aren't going to be impressed with sumo wrestling.
One big exception to all of this: Oklahoma. More than any other team they get beat on the national stage and yet they get the kid gloves treatment. An honest question: Why is that?
I do not offer up Oklahoma as "proof" of an inherit anti-OSU bias in the media. If anything, it offers up an example of lack of consistency that I mentioned earlier.
Bash Oklahoma with a similar zest as OSU and maybe there would fewer in Buckeye Nation who alwasy find this anti-OSU bias. (On second thought, maybe not....but you know what I mean).
Back to Tim Tebow for a minute ... If Troy Smith had gone on a mission instead of taking money from a booster ... and if Troy Smith had beaten Florida in 2006 instead of showing up out-of-shape and disinterested ... and if Troy Smith had led his team to one national championship, much less two ... then maybe Troy Smith would have been a media golden child, too ... and maybe Troy Smith would be praised and adulated by the media as one of the best college football players of all time and not regarded as just another Heisman bust who couldn't get it done when it counted the most.
Sad that Troy would have to go a mission to get noticed when what he has given back to the Glenville community is just as deserving if not more so.
I agree with what you say, yet I do not believe that if Troy had done those things he would have reached His level of media adoration. Not saying that because I think there is an anti-OSU media bias either.
So, I think that the media, in general, is tough but fair ... and that Ohio State gets some crap from the media because the Buckeyes haven't really been all that praiseworthy recently. And Florida has ... and Tim Tebow has ... so deal with it. When Ohio State changes for the better, then so will the media coverage.
Again, neither has Oklahoma yet they seem to be receing no crap from the media. Hell, even their coach is talked up as a possible coach at ND and then the speculation of what he could do at ND, when he has one of the worse track records in BCS games.
As for the "And Florida has ... and Tim Tebow has ... so deal with it" part, I will assume that was meant for the general population consumption and not specifically me as I haven't bought into the wholesale media anti-OSU bias.
Now the media has been a major fellator for Tebow for over 2 years now and while he may deserve all of the honors he gets and praise he gets from the media, the result of the media's over-the-top treatment has bore a hatred for this young man from many across the nation....and that is NOT something that he deserves.
Nice post! See repsonses in bold.
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Yes, that was a statement to the "general population".buckiprof said:
You bring up some good points about media inconsistency - you specifically mentioned Oklahoma, but you could also have added Southern Cal and Penn State and a few other schools that seem to get favorable treatment from the media regardless of what they do on or off the field. I think that some of that inconsistency has to do with the head coaches of those schools, who are more media savvy/friendly than Jim Tressel. I don't think that the media "hates" Tressel, but just like everybody else, the media do have their favorites, and those favorites get better treatment.
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LordJeffBuck;1615606; said:
Or perhaps the story gets buried on page three, below the fold:
Carroll: No apology needed for USC's celebrations
By GREG BEACHAM, AP Sports Writer
Tuesday, December 1, 2009
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(12-01) 15:56 PST LOS ANGELES, (AP) --
The officiating crew cautioned Pete Carroll during halftime at last season's Rose Bowl. If Southern California kept celebrating its success with the same wild abandon, the Trojans would get a 15-yard penalty or more.
The warning hit a nerve in the Trojans' decorated coach, who considers himself something of an ambassador for fun in football.
"I blew it, because I wanted to make them call that penalty," Carroll said Tuesday during yet another round of discussion of the Trojans' enthusiastic actions at the close of last week's 28-7 victory over UCLA.
"I wish we would have done it so they would have called the penalty on us," Carroll recalled of that blowout win over Penn State. "So we could have gotten penalized for having too much fun, because I don't understand that."
Heading into their season finale against Arizona, Carroll said the Trojans (8-3, 5-3 Pac-10) won't change the fun-filled, flamboyant ways in which they celebrate everything from a big play in practice to a winning touchdown in the Rose Bowl ? even though they won't be celebrating a BCS berth for the first time since 2001.
Yet the Trojans' sportsmanship again was called into question last weekend: First for the decision to throw a long touchdown pass in the final minute of their win, and then for the hopping, chanting, team-wide celebration on the sideline during the ensuing TV timeout, drawing the Bruins out to midfield for a shouting match that appeared to be one punch away from a brawl.
Carroll insists the celebration was nothing out of the ordinary for players who are encouraged to get together on the sidelines to send the Trojans' special teams onto the field after each score.
"I don't know if you've ever noticed that, but we do that," Carroll said. "We've been doing that a long time, and that happens across the sidelines, and over the sidelines. That's where we were. We were on our side of the numbers."
The USC program has more than its share of remarkable achievements, from the row of Heisman Trophies greeting visitors entering Heritage Hall to the now-ending decade of Pac-10 domination that includes two national championships.
Carroll's exuberant intensity in every aspect of football also sets the Trojans apart. The players who chose Carroll's style out of high school are eager to preserve the high-energy approach, even when others say they cross the lines of decorum as easily as the goal line.
"I haven't seen any team in the country do the stuff we do," USC linebacker Michael Morgan said. "As far as jumping up and down, showing the love for the game and being free, nobody does that like us. ... We didn't cross the field (against UCLA). They were the ones up there. We celebrate after every touchdown, so I guess they just got mad. Before every touchdown, every special teams kickoff, we're always like this."
Carroll didn't see the celebration as taunting, even when his players broke their huddle and lined up along the edge of the field, chanting and gesturing across the Coliseum at the UCLA sideline. USC was riding an exhilarating high from Matt Barkley's 48-yard TD pass to Damian Williams just one play after Bruins coach Rick Neuheisel called a timeout when Barkley kneeled in an effort to end the game.
"Their decision was to extend the game any way they could, which I think was exactly the right thing to do," Carroll said. "And when they did that, it changes our mentality. We have to get a first down. ... There was no more consideration. That was it. The rest of it is really to be left up to however you guys want to take it. It's a competitive moment. You get to do whatever you want to do."
Carroll hopes the Trojans have a few more celebrations in store at the close of their worst season since his debut in 2001. USC's visit from Arizona carries high stakes for both clubs, with six bowl destinations still a possibility for the Trojans.
If USC beats the Wildcats for the eighth straight time and Oregon wins the Civil War on Thursday, the Trojans seem likely to be chosen for the Holiday Bowl in San Diego as the most attractive name in the Pac-10's quagmire of four second-place teams.
If Oregon loses and USC wins, the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas, would be the Trojans' most likely destination. But if USC loses at the Coliseum for just the third time since 2001, the Trojans' finale might even be a humbling trip to San Diego for the Poinsettia Bowl, reserved for the Pac-10's sixth-place team.
"It's a big deal for us to finish well," Carroll said. "We want to see if we can come off and finish on an upswing."
Read more: Carroll: No apology needed for USC's celebrations
"Ambassador for Fun in Football" my ass. I've been a fan of the Paul Brown, "Act like you've been there before," philosophy. The histrionics belong on WWE and the Jerry Springer Show and not on the field of play. And just how is taunting, belittling your opponent part of the "Fun of Football?"
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LordJeffBuck;1615606; said:
It doesn't have to do wiith the personality of the coaches as much as it has to do with the fact that the media, and American sports fans in general, prefer offense dominated games. It provides them with more excitement and stuff to write about. I mean, it is a lot easier to fill up a column about a 42-41 shoot out than it is to write that the Buckeyes beat Minnesota 3-0 with a field goal as time expired. People liked the USC juggernaut because there were lots of players making the highlight reels. People tend to forget it is a team game, sometimes.
Look at professional soccer - Americans didn't like it for years, because it's not really a scoring friendly sport, and it wasn't until the MLS made some changes to encourage scoring and eliminate the tie games, that it has started to become viable.
People who have no interest in the Buckeyes or the teams they play against are probably bored stiff watching games in which at least one of the offesnes is not gaining 400-500 yards. The media doesn't want to write about it, because it only takes a paragraph. It frustrates them that Ohio State doesn't want to play by "the rules."
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