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AL MVP: Who you got?

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Who's the AL MVP?

  • David Ortiz

    Votes: 24 45.3%

  • Alex Rodriguez

    Votes: 20 37.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 17.0%
  • Total voters
    53
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Thump said:
WOW!

Where did you get those stats tyrus? Nicely done.

Also, what's up with all of the spacing at the end of your post.
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I dont know why all the spacing is there. It might have something to do with all the cut and pasting I did with the stats. I got them from ESPN.

I just dont see how you can give somebody the MVP who is on the field for so few outs. ANd the stuff with A-rod is old.
 
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buckeyefool: "I don't even thing there should be a DH. Making the pitcher go out there and hit."

Why is this such a bone of contention with NL fans? If you're paying $100 for a ticket to a game, who's more entertaining to watch hit?

David Ortiz or Tom Glavine? Edgar Martinez or Ron Villone?

To me, its a no brainer. You NL fans should go to a couple games in an AL park and see how much better the game is with 9 warm bodies in the line-up. Call it baseball post-dark ages.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
buckeyefool: "I don't even thing there should be a DH. Making the pitcher go out there and hit."

Why is this such a bone of contention with NL fans? If you're paying $100 for a ticket to a game, who's more entertaining to watch hit?

David Ortiz or Tom Glavine? Edgar Martinez or Ron Villone?

To me, its a no brainer. You NL fans should go to a couple games in an AL park and see how much better the game is with 9 warm bodies in the line-up. Call it baseball post-dark ages.
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We'll agree to disagree on this one.

I agree the DH leads to higher scoring games but I'd rather see a 2-1 ball game than an 11-9 ball game. Just my opinion.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
buckeyefool: "I don't even thing there should be a DH. Making the pitcher go out there and hit."

Why is this such a bone of contention with NL fans? If you're paying $100 for a ticket to a game, who's more entertaining to watch hit?

David Ortiz or Tom Glavine? Edgar Martinez or Ron Villone?

To me, its a no brainer. You NL fans should go to a couple games in an AL park and see how much better the game is with 9 warm bodies in the line-up. Call it baseball post-dark ages.
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Wonder how the dark age version of baseball we play in the NL managed to put up 3 of the top 6 run producing teams in MLB and not have 9 live bodies?

I'm not going to get into an argument over which style(DH or no DH) is "better" because its a matter of taste and opinion.

Just thought maybe you'd want to go easy on the hyperbole every once in a while.
 
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Thump: "I agree the DH leads to higher scoring games but I'd rather see a 2-1 ball game than an 11-9 ball game. Just my opinion."

No question about it. But, I'd like to see the pitchers earn a 2-1 victory instead of having a built in rally killer come up (at least) every 3 Innings and skate by.

Jax: "Wonder how the dark age version of baseball we play in the NL managed to put up 3 of the top 6 run producing teams in MLB and not have 9 live bodies?"

Jax, please. First off, the pitching in the NL is so far inferior this past season that its a joke. Secondly, have you taken a look at the dimensions of most of the new ballparks in the NL? Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Houston, and Milwaukee are all fly ball band boxes to the 9th degree. Pop-ups go out of those stadiums.

And not coincidentally, 2 of the 3 NL clubs that you speak of play in those band-boxes, and they still trail the AL leaders anywhere from 50 to 100 runs. That's a big difference.

1. Boston - 910
2. NYY - 886
3. Texas - 865
4. Cincinnati - 820
5. Philadelphia - 807
6. St. Louis - 805

And, although I don't mean to disrespect the Reds in any way, shape, or form: don't tell me that team is a good offensive club. I don't care what the stats are, I don't care what Bill James says, that run output is ALL Cinergy Field.

"Just thought maybe you'd want to go easy on the hyperbole every once in a while."

Jax, I'm an AL fan. Of course I'm gonna defend the DH everytime it comes up. If you (or anybody else) doesn't want to hear my defense, then don't bring up the topic in the first place.

This is not directed at you, but the DH has been around for 32 years! Put it away already! There is a DH and has been for a long time! Its like beating a dead horse on a topic that should've gone away 30 years ago!

Does anyone want to argue Watergate or Vietnam? They're more relevant topics from the early 70's that we can harp on ..
 
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Sloopy45 said:
Jax, please. First off, the pitching in the NL is so far inferior this past season that its a joke.
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Dont let the facts get in the way of a good opinion

Secondly, have you taken a look at the dimensions of most of the new ballparks in the NL? Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Houston, and Milwaukee are all fly ball band boxes to the 9th degree. Pop-ups go out of those stadiums.
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Yanke Stadium Dimensions
318-Left
408-Center
314-Right

GAB
328-Left
405-Center
325-Right

You were saying?

1. Boston - 910
2. NYY - 886
3. Texas - 865
4. Cincinnati - 820
5. Philadelphia - 807
6. St. Louis - 805

And, although I don't mean to disrespect the Reds in any way, shape, or form: don't tell me that team is a good offensive club. I don't care what the stats are, I don't care what Bill James says, that run output is ALL Cinergy Field.
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The Reds scored 370 of the 820 runs on the road (45%). Thats about what all teams do.

Is Cinergy a hitter friendly park? The park adjusted figures say no actually but a lot of runs are scored there in part because we have a god offense and one of the worst pitching staffs of all time.

To seriously put forth the idea that the Reds aren't a good offense is silly.

The NL teams dont use the DH, the average DH in the AL last year OPS'd .777. Put that in the lineup 3-4 times a game vs our pitchers and you have the real reason for the difference in Runs scored, not the size of the ballparks.

Only 3 AL teams, using the DH, managed to score more Runs than the Reds and 2 of those 3 have the largest payrolls in MLB. Thats an impressive offense, period.



Jax, I'm an AL fan. Of course I'm gonna defend the DH everytime it comes up. If you (or anybody else) doesn't want to hear my defense, then don't bring up the topic in the first place.

This is not directed at you, but the DH has been around for 32 years! Put it away already! There is a DH and has been for a long time! Its like beating a dead horse on a topic that should've gone away 30 years ago!

Does anyone want to argue Watergate or Vietnam? They're more relevant topics from the early 70's that we can harp on ..
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Like I said, I am not going to debate the merits for or against the DH, its all an opinion and opinions with little to no grounding in reality are your bag, not mine.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
A disgrace to the game? Give it up. Do I have to go back to my post about the pitchers who won the MVP award? They didn't win it on batting or fielding.
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Well, pitchers play defense something Ortiz does not. But you are correct aboutpitchers in the AL hitting which is why AL pitchers should win the Cy Young and not the MVP. I guess I have spent to many hours at the Little League park working on defense with 5-12 year olds to go with a MVP who is a DH.
 
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Jax: "Dont let the facts get in the way of a good opinion"

What are the stats you posted supposed to tell me? Please clarify the point you're trying to make and I'll respond.

"You were saying?"

Uh, hate to break it to you, but you left out a pretty important detail in those dimensions: the power alleys. Left field in Yankee Stadium is 399 feet, and curls in right at the foul pole to 318. What the power alleys in GAB? I guarantee its a lot shorter than 399 ... give me a break.

Just about every CF is about 395 to 410. Every stadium down the line is about 310-320-330. Those'll be consistent. The distance of the power alleys is what matters. Those distances you posted don't mean squat.

"The NL teams dont use the DH, the average DH in the AL last year OPS'd .777. Put that in the lineup 3-4 times a game vs our pitchers and you have the real reason for the difference in Runs scored, not the size of the ballparks."

Jax, again - I don't disagree with your emphasis on OBP & SLG. But you consistently throw away every other stat and solely use that to emphasize your points.

And I agree with you: the DH is the major difference in run production between the leagues as a whole. But that's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the run production of the Reds and Phillies in comparison with the top AL teams. Those two teams play on postage stamps, and outside of St. Louis, they were the only NL teams within 100 runs of the top AL teams.

"Only 3 AL teams, using the DH, managed to score more Runs than the Reds and 2 of those 3 have the largest payrolls in MLB. Thats an impressive offense, period."

Jax, the Reds have a good offense excentuated by a small park, they're not a great or elite offensive team. Give me one guy on the Reds (outside of Griffey, who doesn't play half the time) that's an elite offensive player. By that I mean a perennial All-Star. Dunn's a good run producer, but he hits .250 or below every year. Casey's a .300 hitter with no power.

To me, the jury is still out on Lopez, although he did have a good season last year. Was it a career year or a break-out season? I dunno. We'll see. But even he's a 30 2B-20 HR-80 RBI-.290 AVG type. Good player, but not a great offensive player.

They had one guy with 100 RBI & 100 Runs (Dunn, 101 & 107) this past season. That's an elite offense??
 
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Sloop if you want to act like you couln't understand my post then fine. I'll play your game and drop it but it was clear as day.

You constantly make statements that you just "know" are true because well, "everbody knows that X is true."

I constantly show you facts to the contrary and all you want to try and do is change the subject.

I wish you'd step out of your myopic, bronx-centric universe and just for once let the slightest possibility enter your mind that the things that everyone "knows" are true about baseball simply are wrong more than they are right.

FOR INSTANCE: You say that the Reds offense is due soley to the fact that GAB is a band box and pop ups fly out as HR's, I show you that Yankee stadium is smaller than GAB and now you want to talk about power alleys.

INSATNCE #2: You say the NL pitching is so bad as compared to AL pitching that its a joke. I show you league averages to the contrary. You ask me to clarify the fucking stats, like you don't know what ERA, w/9, BB/9 and WHIP are.

You catch me throwing something out there that is simply and patently false and I'll be the first one to say sorry and admit I'm wrong. I guess I'm the fool for thinking the same of you.

I know you'll come back with some other chewbacca defense bullshit, take one sentance or word, spin it the way you want in order to try and change the subject and expect me to reply to it so go ahead.

Its crystal clear to me what your game is and its sadder than a bread tune at an 8th grade dance.
 
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