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Sloopy45
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Sober: "at least this will stop the stupid posts from you telling us how the whole world hates the Yankees."
A-Rod aint a Yankee. He's a mercenary. If Jeter had the same stats, the Press would've found an excuse to vote against him:
"Oh, Shortstops who wear # 2 are henceforth ineligible to win the MVP award."
A-Rod aint a Yankee. He's a mercenary. If Jeter had the same stats, the Press would've found an excuse to vote against him:
"Oh, Shortstops who wear # 2 are henceforth ineligible to win the MVP award."
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Felipe Lopez is going to be pissed. Perhaps you should make it:
"Shortstops who wear #2, play in New York, wear pinstripes, have the first name Derek, and have the last name Jeter are henceforth ineligible for the MVP award." :tongue2:
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Sloopy,
For a guy who supposedly knows a lot about baseball, you sure are coming off sounding like a dumbass.
Why exactly is A-Rod a mercenary?
B/c he's a high money player who was "bought" by your owner to win a title?
How's he different than a lot of other players on the roster? You must then call players like Matsui, Mussina, Giambi, etc.. merceneries.
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OK, Thump and Sloopy, I'll just sit back and watch this one.
BTW, Thump, since you can't get PM's, are you going to start a b-day thread for the guy with no 'M' on his keyboard?
BTW, Thump, since you can't get PM's, are you going to start a b-day thread for the guy with no 'M' on his keyboard?
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I can get them now, I guess maybe my work computer must have accepted the format changes FINALLY!
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
Thump: "Why exactly is A-Rod a mercenary?"
Quite simply, it comes down to this:
A-Rod doesn't give a damn about the team, only himself. If you come to the Yankees (or any team for that matter), and sacrifice for the good of the team, then you are a Yankee (or insert team here). If you sign as a free agent or come in a high profile trade, don't produce in the clutch or don't sacrifice for the team, you are a mercenary.
"You must then call players like Matsui, Mussina, Giambi, etc.. merceneries."
For the record: Matsui: Yankee. Giambi: was mercenary, moving towards Yankee. Mussina: always teetering between mercenary and Yankee.
One thing that is talked about a lot in NY (and openly acknowledged by teammates in the clubhouse): there are only 4 true "Yankees" in the clubhouse: Jeter, Rivera, Posada, & Bernie.
Quite simply, it comes down to this:
A-Rod doesn't give a damn about the team, only himself. If you come to the Yankees (or any team for that matter), and sacrifice for the good of the team, then you are a Yankee (or insert team here). If you sign as a free agent or come in a high profile trade, don't produce in the clutch or don't sacrifice for the team, you are a mercenary.
"You must then call players like Matsui, Mussina, Giambi, etc.. merceneries."
For the record: Matsui: Yankee. Giambi: was mercenary, moving towards Yankee. Mussina: always teetering between mercenary and Yankee.
One thing that is talked about a lot in NY (and openly acknowledged by teammates in the clubhouse): there are only 4 true "Yankees" in the clubhouse: Jeter, Rivera, Posada, & Bernie.
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Sloopy,
As much as it pains me to say, I'm losing more and more respect for you and your supposed baseball knowledge.
Why exactly are the 4 players named above "true" Yankees? What qualities must they possess to be considered so?
Matsui was ripped right out of the Japanese league. Steinbrenner's infamous for raping teams of their best talent just so he can "buy" a World Series title.
Was Babe Ruth a mercenary since he was bought from the Boston Red Sox?
How can you be a fan of the Yankees when almost the entire roster is made up of, as you put it, "Mercenaries?"
What's Randy Johnson and what was Roger Clemens a few years back?
So you'd be happy to have the Yankees not win the World Series and consist of "True" yankees than win it with a bunch of hired guns? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying!
And also, if you are such a "Yankees "fan" then why do you hate one of your team's players so much?
If the guy (ARod) was a jerk I'd understand but he's a stand-up guy who rarely misses a game and is a certain HOF'er. So what if he'd played for two other teams before he got there.
Maybe if some of you Yankee fans realized that Jeter is a good player but doesn't walk on water, you'd enjoy life a little more.
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OH10
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Ortiz was the most VALUBLE player. But, since I'm against the DH, I have to consider what his impact on the team would have been if he had to play in the field.
1. He is a poor fielder, and errors can cost games.
2. He would have less time to focus on hitting and scouting opposing pitchers.
3. And of course, the fatigue factor could wear him down as the season goes on of actually having to play 9 full innings a night instead of have to get up to bat once every 2-3 innings.
Gotta go with the guy that plays in the field. And that man is ..... Casey Blake.
(what? like I would go with a Yankee)
1. He is a poor fielder, and errors can cost games.
2. He would have less time to focus on hitting and scouting opposing pitchers.
3. And of course, the fatigue factor could wear him down as the season goes on of actually having to play 9 full innings a night instead of have to get up to bat once every 2-3 innings.
Gotta go with the guy that plays in the field. And that man is ..... Casey Blake.
(what? like I would go with a Yankee)
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
Thump: "As much as it pains me to say, I'm losing more and more respect for you and your supposed baseball knowledge."
My takes on this subject have nothing to do with my baseball knowledge. It pertains to my favorite team, so yes, I'm going to be more emotional than rational when discussing the subject.
"Matsui was ripped right out of the Japanese league. Steinbrenner's infamous for raping teams of their best talent just so he can "buy" a World Series title."
Again, read my definition of mercenary vs. Yankee. Matsui, while bought (certainly) has been nothing but a model citizen, clutch player, and is a team-first type guy.
"What's Randy Johnson and what was Roger Clemens a few years back?"
Randy Johnson = mercenary. Clemens = Yankee (sort of).
"So you'd be happy to have the Yankees not win the World Series and consist of "True" yankees than win it with a bunch of hired guns? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying!"
Not at all. I'd prefer the Yanks to win with home-grown'ers, but that's not going to happen ever again. Not in the landscape of baseball right now & in the forseeable future.
"Maybe if some of you Yankee fans realized that Jeter is a good player but doesn't walk on water, you'd enjoy life a little more."
Dude, Jeter is not a good player. He's a GREAT player. Yankee fans hated A-Rod for years because of the rift with Jeter, and the natural comparisons that come with 2 HOF SS's. He had to come here, win MVPs, AND win multiple World Championships for him to be taken into Yankee fans hearts.
Instead, he's mostly associated with the worst playoff loss & embarassment in franchise history (and it always will be that), & not hitting in the clutch. He hasn't done a good job of making some goodwill with the fans to clear all the previous baggage he walked in here with.
My takes on this subject have nothing to do with my baseball knowledge. It pertains to my favorite team, so yes, I'm going to be more emotional than rational when discussing the subject.
"Matsui was ripped right out of the Japanese league. Steinbrenner's infamous for raping teams of their best talent just so he can "buy" a World Series title."
Again, read my definition of mercenary vs. Yankee. Matsui, while bought (certainly) has been nothing but a model citizen, clutch player, and is a team-first type guy.
"What's Randy Johnson and what was Roger Clemens a few years back?"
Randy Johnson = mercenary. Clemens = Yankee (sort of).
"So you'd be happy to have the Yankees not win the World Series and consist of "True" yankees than win it with a bunch of hired guns? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying!"
Not at all. I'd prefer the Yanks to win with home-grown'ers, but that's not going to happen ever again. Not in the landscape of baseball right now & in the forseeable future.
"Maybe if some of you Yankee fans realized that Jeter is a good player but doesn't walk on water, you'd enjoy life a little more."
Dude, Jeter is not a good player. He's a GREAT player. Yankee fans hated A-Rod for years because of the rift with Jeter, and the natural comparisons that come with 2 HOF SS's. He had to come here, win MVPs, AND win multiple World Championships for him to be taken into Yankee fans hearts.
Instead, he's mostly associated with the worst playoff loss & embarassment in franchise history (and it always will be that), & not hitting in the clutch. He hasn't done a good job of making some goodwill with the fans to clear all the previous baggage he walked in here with.
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What baggage did A-Rod come in with and what has he done to show he's not a team player?
The guy came to a team where he knew he would have to change positions.
I guesss you are in the clubhouse everyday and know that he's not a team player.
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
Thump: "What baggage did A-Rod come in with and what has he done to show he's not a team player?"
Why do I have to write a post, then repeat it constantly?
Baggage (from previous post) = "Yankee fans hated A-Rod for years because of the rift with Jeter, and the natural comparisons that come with 2 HOF SS's."
A-Rod aint a team player. He changed positions. Big deal. Here are two reasons why I don't put much stock in A-Rod's "tremendous sacrifice":
1. The New York Yankees, right now, are the ideal team for any player to play for. They have their own network, play in the best baseball city in America, draw 4 million fans a season, should be in the playoffs with a shot to win each and every season, and are treated like rock stars. ANY player in baseball would give up his position to be in the Bronx right now.
2. A-Rod, after burning his bridges with Texas, had no where to go. It was either play 3B in NY or be miserable in Arlington. There were only two teams in baseball that can afford his contract: the Red Sox (who failed to get him), and the Yankees. Once Door # 1 was shut, the only option he had was to play 3B behind Door # 2. And Door # 2 was a very, very attractive option (as noted in the reason above).
"I guesss you are in the clubhouse everyday and know that he's not a team player."
I don't have to be. I watch every game. I've seen too many rallies (including the one in Game 5 of the '04 ALCS) squandered by this guy trying to pull the ball all the time, giving away ABs, and completely ignoring things like moving runners over, taking pitches, etc.
Why do I have to write a post, then repeat it constantly?
Baggage (from previous post) = "Yankee fans hated A-Rod for years because of the rift with Jeter, and the natural comparisons that come with 2 HOF SS's."
A-Rod aint a team player. He changed positions. Big deal. Here are two reasons why I don't put much stock in A-Rod's "tremendous sacrifice":
1. The New York Yankees, right now, are the ideal team for any player to play for. They have their own network, play in the best baseball city in America, draw 4 million fans a season, should be in the playoffs with a shot to win each and every season, and are treated like rock stars. ANY player in baseball would give up his position to be in the Bronx right now.
2. A-Rod, after burning his bridges with Texas, had no where to go. It was either play 3B in NY or be miserable in Arlington. There were only two teams in baseball that can afford his contract: the Red Sox (who failed to get him), and the Yankees. Once Door # 1 was shut, the only option he had was to play 3B behind Door # 2. And Door # 2 was a very, very attractive option (as noted in the reason above).
"I guesss you are in the clubhouse everyday and know that he's not a team player."
I don't have to be. I watch every game. I've seen too many rallies (including the one in Game 5 of the '04 ALCS) squandered by this guy trying to pull the ball all the time, giving away ABs, and completely ignoring things like moving runners over, taking pitches, etc.
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