A Split National Championship in 2008?

[lvbuckeye]

My vote is for 6 conference champions and 2 at large. The 6 champs would be as a result of conference championship games, so the reality is that there would be a minimum of 12 teams in this thing. I place the same value in winning the conference that the NFL does, which keeps the emphasis on the regular season.

The "at large" would be the top two teams left (either mid-majors or Texas/Georgia situations), as long as they didn't play for their conference championship.

I know it's ridiculous, but so is the BC$. My $.02.

the problem with the 6 conference champions is you get #16 VaTech and #20 Cincinnati in the playoff field. they shouldn't preempt say the #8 team that isn't from a BCS conference. an undefeated non-BCS school should get in before any 3 loss team from any conference...

i was thinking about BKB's argument about say Utah or Auburn not getting a shot. it's very easy to blame it on their schedule, but from my point of view that is a rather lazy argument which ignores the fact that Auburn and Utah and Boise State all entered the season ranked quite low, if at all. they had too much ground to make up against the teams that were in the top 5 to start the year. the teams ranked ahead of them initially had enough margin for error that they could afford to drop a game and still be ahead of the Utes, which, IMHO, does a disservice to everyone. why should some teams get the benefit of the doubt when others are not afforded that same luxury?

 

[MaliBuckeye]

Yup...

the problem with the 6 conference champions is you get #16 VaTech and #20 Cincinnati in the playoff field. they shouldn't preempt say the #8 team that isn't from a BCS conference. an undefeated non-BCS school should get in before any 3 loss team from any conference...

I agree... but we've learned to accept a 8-8 Chargers team hosting 12-4 Indy while 11-5 NE sits at home.

Plus, my evil scheme would allow for 2 at large teams, and would also have less "non-BCS schools", since all conferences would need to bump up to 12.

Like I said, everyone gets a crackpot idea... this is mine.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

the problem with the 6 conference champions is you get #16 VaTech and #20 Cincinnati in the playoff field. they shouldn't preempt say the #8 team that isn't from a BCS conference. an undefeated non-BCS school should get in before any 3 loss team from any conference...

I think there should be some kind of rule denying a conference champ with three losses to be in the tournament.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

I think there should be some kind of rule denying a conference champ with three losses to be in the tournament.

What about situations where a team (Ohio State, say) schedules a difficult OOC schedule, and loses to two teams who end the year undefeated. They then win their conference, but suffer another loss to an in-conference foe because of the strength of the conference.

For me, conference championships are the key starting point, as it makes the goal more obtainable (if you lose a game, you're not out of the running) and would actually encourage teams to schedule OOC games that matter (rather than 1-AA or MAC schools).

Just my thoughts...

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

What about situations where a team (Ohio State, say) schedules a difficult OOC schedule, and loses to two teams who end the year undefeated. They then win their conference, but suffer another loss to an in-conference foe because of the strength of the conference.

For me, conference championships are the key starting point, as it makes the goal more obtainable (if you lose a game, you're not out of the running) and would actually encourage teams to schedule OOC games that matter (rather than 1-AA or MAC schools).

Just my thoughts...

I understand your point. I don't think any team would schedule two very difficult out of conference teams. Normally what OSU does is have one very tough team (Texas, USC) to get one prime time Saturday night television and then fill out the rest of their non conference schedule with MAC teams. I could see Ohio State picking up a team from the Big East or ACC that would boost their SOS better than a MAC team. I don't see them putting two top ten teams on their non conference schedule.

Note: I know that the teams change from year to year and the team you schedule now will be either better or worse in 3-4 years when you actually play them. Generally, top level programs do not suddenly fall down overnight. Our coaches are smart and can see if programs are on their way up or down.

 

[CookyPuss]

I understand your point. I don't think any team would schedule two very difficult out of conference teams.

Under the current system, teams would be stupid to schedule two "tough" games. Other than Auburn getting snubbed, being in a BCS conference and going undefeated has been enough regardless of SOS.

I think it would be more likely to see more tough out of conference games in a playoff format that gave autobids to conference champs. Teams would not have such pressure to win those games and scheduling better OOC opponents would help them prepare for the playoffs by playing tougher competition and being exposed to the "styles" of the other conferences. On one hand it diminishes the importance of regular season OOC games (except for determining at large bids), but it makes it more likely to bring interesting matchups in those games. So, instead of playing USC, Toledo, Navy and New Mexico State; tOSU might schedule USC, Texas Tech, North Carolina, and Ole Miss.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Don't want to create a new thread for this question, but really want to ask the board experts **cough Lordjeffbuck cough** how many organizations that award national titles nowdays are recognized by the NCAA?

I know we claim our title in '70 by the NFF even though the AP and Coaches were the predominant polls by that time already. Is it plausible that either NFF or National Football Writer's Association votes us number 1 even if the AP and the BCS don't? TIA.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Why would somebody vote us #1 after not having to play in and win a bowl game?

 

[GeorgiaBuck2]

If we are the only undefeated at the end of our 12 game schedule, we should be number 1.

 

[Bucklion]

Not enough people are going to vote for an undefeated team on probation for a national title...happened before with Auburn. So people thinking split title ought to just leave it in their dreams somewhere, because a 1 loss Alabama team or an undefeated ND beats us every single time.

 

[OhioState001]

Why would somebody vote us #1 after not having to play in and win a bowl game?

Undefeated with road wins at Wisconsin, PSU and MSU.

Put a whipping on current #14 and Nebraska.

Then whatever we do against scUM.

 

[Bucklion]

If we are the only undefeated at the end of our 12 game schedule, we should be number 1.

And if the roles were reversed and Notre Dame was on probation, would you be saying the same thing? I don't think a team on probation and ineligible for the postseason should be #1. Period. And I think a lot of the voters will feel the same way.

 

[Bucklion]

Undefeated with road wins at Wisconsin, PSU and MSU.

Put a whipping on current #14 and Nebraska.

Then whatever we do against scUM.

Um...not to go all Maxbuck(TM) again here, but those road wins are against two 4 loss teams and a 6 loss team...if I were not an Ohio State fan, I wouldn't be all that impressed.

 

[Mike80]

Um...not to go all Maxbuck(TM) again here, but those road wins are against two 4 loss teams and a 6 loss team...if I were not an Ohio State fan, I wouldn't be all that impressed.

I am an Ohio State fan, and the only semi-impressive win on that list is Ped State and we know what they are down too at this point.

Ohio State - if they were bowl eligible - would have an argument now. Everyone else is losing. But they aren't.

And we are exactly one week from me being able to ignore college football until LOI day.

 

[NFBuck]

Undefeated with road wins at Wisconsin, PSU and MSU.

Put a whipping on current #14 and Nebraska.

Then whatever we do against scUM.

Neither of those are particularly impressive.

12-0 is really nice, and a great story, but lets not pretend we've run a gauntlet...this is the easiest schedule we've faced in years.