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A New Take On THE Rivalry

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TheMile said:
I've nothing but respect for OSU, and cheer for you much the same I do any other Big 10 team. The only teams I like to see fail are Miami, Florida State, and Notre Dame. Most the morons you see posting crap like Tre$$el are just high schoolers, I'd expect.



Why is this pathetic? Should Oklahoma be considered pathetic because it recruits more from TX than OK? Notre Dame only gets a few people from IN each year. Are they pathetic?

MI is a smaller and colder state. Half the state spends their time shoveling lake effect snow instead of playing football. We also have to compete with MSU in state; OSU is the only football power in OH. Of course OSU will have more OH recruits than Michigan has MI recruits.
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Thanks for the respect anyway, I would imagine taht behind closed doors it is reciprocated:biggrin:.

I don't think you will find many Ohioans, or Michiganers who would disagree that Ohio has more/better HS football talent, and the instate big school theory is a valid one. I would say that if you check fans from the football producing states, Ohio, Texas, Cali, Florida... They do rag thier rivals/competitors for needing to go elsewhere to get talent (don't think Texas doesn't, and you know we do). I think maybe with Cali/Fla there are too many in state schools to make it much of an issue. Nothing personal, just another way to feel superior :wink:
 
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Ok, so here's my dirty little secret. . . . . during the Cooper era I probably watched more Michigan games than I did Ohio State games.

No one who knows me would accuse me of being a fairweather or bandwagon fan. But I just could not stomach John Cooper. I hated him from the day he was hired. No, I hated him from the day Earle Bruce was fired, I just didn't know who HE was yet. Then when he was hired I knew why I hated him and I hated him even more. (BTW, I know this is not entirely rational, but fan is derivative of fanatic after all)

My irrational hatred of Cooper made it painful to watch the Buckeyes. I wanted him to fail so badly, but I couldn't root against the Bucks. So I went elsewhere. I adopted the I-AA team where I work, and when I wanted to watch a good, big-time college team I watched Michigan. I didn't really root for them. I just knew I could see a good team.

So, yeah, I respect the hell out of Michigan. I want them to be the second best team in the nation and the Big Ten every year. I want them to come into the last game of the regular season undefeated with everything on the line.

And, oh yeah, scUM still sucks!
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OK, have it your way. Have Michigan loose to Notre Dame... now have Michigan, OSU and Notre Dame go unbeaten into the final week of the season. Beat Michigan by 50 points and I don't care, you won't go to the Rose Bowl if they can take Notre Dame, you won't go to the National Championship Bowl if they can take Notre Dame and there is no way "they" are going to take two teams from the north to an NC warm weather game. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Have it even more your way. Have Michigan limp into Columbus about six straight times with a loosing record... Have OSU undefeated each time... have OSU win each time and then listen to the national carping about OSU's soft end-of-the-year schedule. Wait a week or two when the SEC and the Big 12 have playoff games matching two strong teams and watch OSU's bowl ratings drop. You need to stop being so damned concerned about dickheads in Toledo wearing Michigan hats when they aren't wearing Yankee or Notre Dame hats and worry about how OSU is going to win national championships if the conference becomes the Big One.
 
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TheMile said:
I've nothing but respect for OSU, and cheer for you much the same I do any other Big 10 team. The only teams I like to see fail are Miami, Florida State, and Notre Dame. Most the morons you see posting crap like Tre$$el are just high schoolers, I'd expect.



Why is this pathetic? Should Oklahoma be considered pathetic because it recruits more from TX than OK? Notre Dame only gets a few people from IN each year. Are they pathetic?

MI is a smaller and colder state. Half the state spends their time shoveling lake effect snow instead of playing football. We also have to compete with MSU in state; OSU is the only football power in OH. Of course OSU will have more OH recruits than Michigan has MI recruits.
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My reaction is because it simply annoys me to see Ohio kids who were offered by the Buckeyes go elsewhere. I don't expect someone from Michigan to understand this, a situation like w/ Vernon Gholston happens once in a blue moon-don't tell me that didn't annoy you more than if he had gone to scUM State.
 
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TheMile said:
Why is this pathetic? Should Oklahoma be considered pathetic because it recruits more from TX than OK? Notre Dame only gets a few people from IN each year. Are they pathetic?
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Many Texas fans would say yes to the land-grabbers.

And I'll say yes to ND being pathetic, since NDChief can't be here to admit it.
 
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TheMile said:
I've nothing but respect for OSU, and cheer for you much the same I do any other Big 10 team. The only teams I like to see fail are Miami, Florida State, and Notre Dame. Most the morons you see posting crap like Tre$$el are just high schoolers, I'd expect.

MI is a smaller and colder state. Half the state spends their time shoveling lake effect snow instead of playing football. We also have to compete with MSU in state; OSU is the only football power in OH. Of course OSU will have more OH recruits than Michigan has MI recruits.
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Mile, I think most die-hard Buckeye fans respect the MI program and can respect when they have a very good player - and not just because usually that player is an Ohio boy.
Woody always used to say that when OSU an MI played, he believed it was the 2 best teams in the country playing. That's respect.
I have to tell you, though, it is VERY frustrating to see a top-level talent not only leave his home state, but go to it's main rival to boot. I can guarantee you that Texas feels the same way about OU. does that make OU pathetic? No, but does it make TX fans HATE OU? Hell, yes, it does!
You see, the main difference between OSU fans and MI fans is that MI fans are rooting for their school. OSU fans are rooting for their whole state. Most of the best players are born and bred in Ohio and play for the state team. when we lose one who would actually be able to help us win, yes it hurts, and we feel betrayed, because we can't understand why the young man doesn't have the pride in his home state that we do.
The main reason us Buckeyes get frustrated w/ UM fans is because down here in Ohio, it is the fan who has absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER to root for MI, other than to root against OSU. They are the most arrogant, unreasonable, unknowledgeable ***holes you would ever want to meet (this side of S Bend, anyway). Now, if I know someone who has ties to UM, I can easily get along with them and enjoy the friendly banter/rivalry. It is the person who has lived in Ohio their whole life and has no ties to UM or MI the state that drives us all crazy.
I went to college in Big Rapids, MI and never had a problem with the UM fans up there, because I could respect them as fans of their home team. it's down here - in general - that we meet UM fans that incites the "hatred".
I hope both teams are undefeated this year when we come up to you place - to kick your asses!
 
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That's an interesting perspective I'd never thought about. Certainly helps me understand many OSU fans' vehemence concerning Michigan. :biggrin:


NightmaresDad said:
It is the person who has lived in Ohio their whole life and has no ties to UM or MI the state that drives us all crazy.
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Sounds similar to how MSU fans feel about non-alumni, Lansing area folk who cheer for MSU in basketball and U of M in football. I can understand not respecting those types of sports fans.
 
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I typically have always rooted for Michigan in a non-conference or bowl game. This year was a bit of an exception, since I picked Texas in my bowl pick 'em game.

Recently, I've discovered that I root against EVERYONE if Ohio State has already lost. I want Michigan to lose, regardless of who they're playing. I guess that if I'm miserable, I want everyone else to be miserable, too. And, living in Cleveland, it's even transferred to the Browns. If Ohio State lost, I can root for the Bengals to beat the Browns, or the Lions to beat the Browns, or the 49ers or the Cowboys or even the Patriots. I can't root for the Steelers, of course, or the Ravens.

But if Ohio State has already won, or hasn't played their night game, yet, I'll root for Michigan to win any non-conference game, or even a conference game, if their win moves Ohio State up the standings (maybe 3-3 Michigan is playing 6-0 Minnesota - I can root for Michigan, then).
 
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I went to both schools, had very bad experiences at both schools, have a hatred for aspects of both schools, but have a love for the athletics of both schools. It's the rivalry that I love.

My Michigan friends tell me that AJ Hawk is overrated, but I tell them that he's probably the best stud linebacker in the past decade.

My OSU friends tell me that Braylon Edwards is overrated. OK, bad example. But he is still statistically better than Williams was.

I want both teams to be undefeated until The Game. Then, I guess I root for the team who plays cleaner and works harder.

I root for OSU and Michigan always, unless I see them slack off against a bad team like OSU did against Northwestern this past year. If OSu or UM is slacking off against Texas, Miami or team of that calibre, you bet your ass that I still want them to win.

I guess more than anything I love the rivalry and the competition. If there's a big name recruit like Ginn, who was picking between UM, OSU and USC, I want UM or OSU to get him. I am fine with either team getting him and look forward to watching how he effects the rivalry.

I know this reply is going to get a lot of flack, but I am just being honest.
 
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While I agree with the general sentiment that started this post, I don't really see how it would be controversial. Dislike and respect are not mutually exclusive - in fact, a good rivalry by definition has both. The dislike can even institutional, rather than personal (although as obviously attested to in this thread, it can be personal as well), but there's no reason why you can't hate Michigan football, and respect it at the same time.

I don't agree with the brothers analogy. Nobody, outside of a dysfunctional family, enjoys seeing his brother get his nose bloodied by a third party. My point being, there's a distinction between mutual respect, and mutual affection. I think most Buckeye fans have respect for Michigan football. Affection, no.

Along those lines, I love watching Michigan's non-conference games. Like most of you, I pull for the BigTen in any non-conference matchup, even Michigan, but at the same time I enjoy seeing Michigan get taken down a peg. That makes these games a win-win situation: either you get to see the BigTen win, or you get to see Michigan lose. Call me a glass-is-half-full kinda guy.
 
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Oiler is right

OSU and Michigan without each other would be ND. You can't have "Star Wars" without Darth Vader. Put another way, these two football programs are great, but made especially great because of their rivalry. Can you image the last game of the regular season being played against Minnesota?

Taking part in the regular season-ending "rivalry" game is one of the great perks in team sports. Without Michigan football, OSU football, as we know it, wouldn't exist. It would be fun, but it wouldn't be the same. It would be more like Miami.

See how many other football seasons are (were) enhanced by these regular season-ending rivalry games:

Army/Navy
Oregon/Oregon St.
(Nebraska/Oklahoma) What the hell were they thinking??
USC/UCLA
Florida/FSU
Virginia/Va. Tech.
Georgia/Ga. Tech.
(Penn State/Pitt) This one needs to be resurrected...maybe if Pitt gets the Big 10 nod...

Now that my beloved OSU has gone through the NCAA wringer, I'm less apt to so quickly judge other programs. I didn't hear much flack from Michigan fans, nor from Tennessee fans, either.
 
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