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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

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I haven't really said much in this thread yet. To me, 5 games is pretty harsh considering that these were non-competitive related offenses. This wasn't steroids or a booster "pay-for-play" situation. It wasn't gambling or any of the other "cardinal" sins of sports. I fully expect the appeal to knock at least one game off the length of these suspensions, maybe two. However, I do believe these suspensions should start with the Sugar Bowl. Picking and choosing which games should be missed strains credibility and I think in the end, credibility and confidence in the process out weighs the "unique opportunity" of a few individuals. However, I am not totally unsympathetic to that argument.

This has really put TOSU in an unenviable position. The NCAA has ruled and they are supposed to be the final word. Yet the ruling is just contributing to controversy. That fact, in and of itself, tells me this ruling may not have been the best decision. The NCAA's decision looks hypocritical and puts TOSU in a position of looking hypocritical as well. So the question becomes "is it TOSU's job to make up for the NCAA's seemingly poor decision?" In my imo, I think TOSU would be best served suspending them for the Sugar Bowl and deal with whatever short term fallout comes from it for the benefit of long term respectability and credibility...
 
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Wingate1217;1840747; said:
Yes it is rare here in NC.....didn't think I would miss it but the boys are having a ball in the backyard playing in the snow. What is really rare? Finding a true Southern boy that can actually drive in this stuff...
Truely worth the price of admission watching the natives try to drive in this weather....:biggrin:
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Couldn't agree more... just going to the gym and back was a nightmare cause no one from down here knows how to drive in this stuff.
 
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The only way tOSU suspends these players is if they think it will more likely than not reduce the penalty next year.
If they think it will have no bearing in the NCAA decision, or even hurt the appeal (by taking the perspective of "why then did you extend") then you better believe the 5 will play.

I can see both sides but I am in the camp that suspending this game will reduce the penalty by at least two games next year and ultimately the penalty will be the bowl and 2 games next year (partially due to the $ draw of the tOSU Miami game next year).

I can see but don't buy the sit to be on the morally high ground argument. The other side of the moral high ground is that Tressel is all about seniors, and sitting these 5 doesn't help send them out on a high note. I only mention this as example as to why the moral high ground is not so clear.

I hope that tOSU has some ability to communicate with the NCAA and get a preliminary response to the impact of suspending for the bowl on the suspension next year.

If not, I could see there being no announcement of suspension so as to not allow the NCAA to step in and force them to play.
 
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Greg-guh actually makes a good point about the delayed suspensions, and doesn't just rip on tOSU. Although he may have underestimated tOSU's offensive production if the players had been suspended for the bowl. :tongue2:

CBS.Doyel

Loving the NCAA's decision on Ohio State

Bowl games are for fans. That's all they are -- they're games for fans. That's why bowl invitations are awarded in conjunction with tickets, tens of thousands of tickets in the case of a bowl game as big as the Sugar Bowl.

This is why the NCAA made the right call, the Solomon-esque call, on Terrelle Pryor and four of his teammates. More than 10,000 OSU fans already have bought tickets to that game, which includes for many airfare, rental car (or other ground transportation) and hotel. Plus food for the duration of the trip.

Imagine being those fans, showing up in New Orleans, and watching the Buckeyes' backup quarterback. Whoever he is. And watching the Buckeyes' backups at receiver and running back. And watching the Buckeyes score three points.

T-shirt idea: I spent a week, and $3,500, in New Orleans -- and all I got was this lousy 21-3 loss .

Nonsense. The NCAA wasn't protecting the Buckeyes. The NCAA was protecting fans -- it was protecting you, if you want to know the truth. If you're not an OSU fan, embrace this anyway because the precedent is set. This could be your team in a year or two.

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Saw31;1840786; said:
I haven't really said much in this thread yet. To me, 5 games is pretty harsh considering that these were non-competitive related offenses. This wasn't steroids or a booster "pay-for-play" situation. It wasn't gambling or any of the other "cardinal" sins of sports.
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Well, the 30% missed plus one for being "less than honest" does seem to be somewhat consistent- Georgia's Green missed four games for selling his jersey (although I'm not sure if he was upfront from the beginning... not that he wasn't, I just don't know enough about it).

That being said, what confuses me is the situation with Marcel Dareus, who accepted "payment for transportation, lodging and meals on two trips to Miami", where he attended gatherings where agents may have been present. He was initially suspended four games, which was reduced to two.

Again, the four game thing is consistent... but somehow taking money on two occasions to go to parties where agents were present seems like it would be a higher level of concern than selling something that might have been misunderstood to have been yours.
 
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WolverineMike;1840798; said:
seriously, after AJ Green and now the Buckeye 5, if anyone else gets suspended for doing this then they are completely retarded.
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Or it'll be because they get caught for something that they did a year or two ago, like the 5 Buckeyes.
 
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MaliBuckeye;1840796; said:
Well, the 30% missed plus one for being "less than honest" does seem to be somewhat consistent- Georgia's Green missed four games for selling his jersey (although I'm not sure if he was upfront from the beginning... not that he wasn't, I just don't know enough about it).

That being said, what confuses me is the situation with Marcel Dareus, who accepted "payment for transportation, lodging and meals on two trips to Miami", where he attended gatherings where agents may have been present. He was initially suspended four games, which was reduced to two.

Again, the four game thing is consistent... but somehow taking money on two occasions to go to parties where agents were present seems like it would be a higher level of concern than selling something that might have been misunderstood to have been yours.
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I agree the number has been consistent, but as you point out, the bigger picture is not so consistent. Include the Dareus situation, and it just seems illogical a lot of the time. One way to go about changing this could be to initially suspend for 4-5 games, per precedent, and then reduce on appeal at a later date. The next time it happens they can now point at a new precedent. However, I am not sure how important it is to the NCAA to look "consistent". It sure would appear that they don't worry about it much. lol
 
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MaliBuckeye;1840821; said:
This is not an excuse or a rationalization, but as someone who works with college students it's been helpful to remember that a significant portion of their brain is still developing.
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Yup. No matter how many have been punished or made example of in the past, I fully expect to see young adults being selfish and finding ways to get in trouble from now until the end of time.

I, however, was perfect at that age. For the record...:biggrin:
 
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osugrad21;1840810; said:
Doyle has a good point...I feel dirty saying that.
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It is a good very point.

The counter point is that any senior or any player who is going pro can now do whatever the hell he wants to do to sell his autograph or merchandise after the last regular season game - and do so knowing that if he gets caught it will have absolutely no effect on him or his shot at displaying his skills in a widely watched bowl game.

It will be interesting to see how the NCAA treats the next case, seeing as it will be post-AJ and post-Buckeye 5. I bet they will have to hammer the next case in an attempt keep some control over the situation. The key will be the "lack of education" defense will no longer be available.
 
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