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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

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osugrad21;1839514; said:
Given the history of your school's conferences, that is quite the ironic statement.

Then again, no need to sell things when you are on a payroll eh?
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kchogfan;1839673; said:
You are entitlled to your opinion, you are not entiled to your own set of facts. If you have proof, show it, if not, then STFU. No player on Arkansas' team is on a payroll.
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I have only one thing to add:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE"]YouTube - Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye[/ame]

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Guys,

I have some experience with this as I have a son who was a student-athlete. My son was suspended for six games for his red shirt Freshman year due to breaking of university and team rules. I went through all kinds of emotion, denial, anger, frustration with the rule, my son's actions and the coaching staff all in the span of 24 hours. So I can kind of understand the emotions coming out of most of the posters on this board.
My son did something wrong and while not to the extreme that others did on the team he suffered the same consequences. Actually he suffered more as he was the only one that actually told the truth and accepted responsibility and accountability for his actions.
Looking back at it my proudest moment was my son's decision to not further turn his back on the values his mother and me (ok mostly his mother's teachings) taught him but to own up to his mistake, come clean and move forward.
His head coach told me later that he knew my son would be okay because immediately after incident my son asked if he could address the team. He told the guys what he did was stupid and that he was truly sorry in letting his teammates down and that this would never happen again and he would work harder to gain their trust. The upperclassman responded positively to his speech because it was heartfelt, his actions were out of character, and they knew his future actions would mirror his apology. They also knew (as most teammates do) the rest of the story as he was the only one to say that he was guilty of any transgression while others denied, denied, denied....They also knew that my son would never "sell-out" these other guys and rat on them.
I truly believe that things happen for a reason and it is in our actions afterward that we either learn the lesson and grow from the transgression or fall into the trough never to answer the bell.
TP and the rest of the five now have the great opportunity to admit their mistake, apologize, and move forward by showing leadership in the face of adversity. If they don't perhaps this is the time for one of the other members of the team to accept the challenge and assume the mantle of leadership and vow that something like this can never be allowed to happen again.
My son learned that lesson and is a better person now because of it and will probably serve him well in his chosen profession of becoming a collegiate football coach.
 
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BUCKYLE;1839714; said:
1. Selling rings? BFD. They've all got at least three.
2. Selling a uni (Boom), and getting in trouble? [censored] off NCAA. It's ok for you, tOSU, and Nike to profit from it, but not the player that helped to make it valuable? Horse[censored].
3. Selling your Gold Pants? I just can't imagine doing that. According to the HBO documentary on The Game, Bo never sold his. This is the biggest deal to me.

I just don't understand selling those. Kinda breaks my heart.
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I'm exactly with you there. I'm a little saddened by selling the rings, but I could get over it. I have no problem at all with what Boom did, and would have no problem seeing him play in the Sugar Bowl. Fuck Nike (for this and your damn pro combat shit) and others. I live close to College Traditions and go in there a lot, I see #1 jerseys all the time for $70+, and Boom won't ever see a cent of that. It was his jersey and he should do what he wants with it.
But the Gold Pants... our rivalry with TSUN is a big part of what makes us, us, and winning the Gold Pants is a huge part of that. It's essentially throwing away (or selling) the rivalry. I find it very hypocritical that TP calls out Herbie for being a "fake Buckeye" then goes and sells essentially what it means to be a Buckeye. I bet Herbie would have killed for just one pair of Gold Pants. Almost makes me wish the current team knew what it was like to lose to TSUN, so they would appreciate it more.

All this being said, it takes balls to turn yourself in. Go Bucks.
 
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buckiprof;1839733; said:
And where is the harm in this? Delayed gratification is something that is sorely missing amongst many people today.....and this little scene kinda illustrates that.

I am saddened by the news and saddened for the ones involved. I am saddened that either (a) they couldn't think 20...30...50 years into the future and realize how precious those "trinkets" they sold would be to them at that time in their life or (b) that they truly "needed" that money that badly for legitimate reasons.

I am saddened to see some ready to throw these 5 under the bus... or should I say throw them off the bus, off the team and out of the university. I made some dumb ass mistakes my first couple of years at OSU, one that should have had me gone for a couple of quarters and facing possible serious legal issues. I am sure that my sons will make some dumb ass stupid mistakes their first couple of years at OSU and should I find out about their dumb ass stupid mistakes, they will know how disappointed and saddened I am in them, but move on and grow from it.

I am saddened that the NCAA says no to suspending the 5 for the Sugar Bowl, but wait until the beginning of next season. The hypocrisy in that is too much for me to handle.

I am saddened that this will have a negative effect on the rest of the team and their Sugar Bowl experience. I really don't give a flying fuck about what anyone one of us may think about how we now feel about the Sugar Bowl, or attending games next season, it is about this team. I swear many here did not play high school football, or they came from a crappy program where the team concept was not emphasized.

I am saddened, greatly, for the departing seniors. Their last game in the Scarlet and Gray has become a circus for all of the wrong reasons.

And still, I am quite pleased and proud of my alma mater in quickly investigating this and immediately notifying the NCAA. It is too damn bad that this isn't mentioned many times over and compared and contrasted with the USC's of the college world.
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Great post man. I could learn a few things from people like you.
 
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After finally listening to some of the ESPN takes on this I got a chance to hear Tressel and Co. talk about how they failed the student-athletes by not giving them enough of an education on what they could and could not do, stating that each of the players definitively stated that they did not know.

This disgusts me even more, seeing as I have to choose to believe that either the players are playing dumb or the coaching staff and those involved with compliance education are inadequate.

Or if neither of those are true, I'm forced to believe that this is what's being shoveled into each of their mouths by the NCAA in order to maintain something, God knows what, and I'm not at all happy with THAT idea either.

It's all fucking bullshit. It's unfair to the fans that this game's business aspects have become the forefront rather than the underlying issues. It goes without saying that this applies to everything and not just college football, but it pisses me right the fuck off that the bottom line and the might dollar get in the way of forward progress 99/100 times.
 
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Wingate1217;1839762; said:
TP and the rest of the five now have the great opportunity to admit their mistake, apologize, and move forward by showing leadership in the face of adversity. If they don't perhaps this is the time for one of the other members of the team to accept the challenge and assume the mantle of leadership and vow that something like this can never be allowed to happen again.
My son learned that lesson and is a better person now because of it and will probably serve him well in his chosen profession of becoming a collegiate football coach.
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osucollegebuck;1839763; said:
Hopefully Tressel does the right thing at takes away Pryor's #2 jersey and Boom's #1 for the Sugar Bowl.
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Keep in mimd that the "right thing" may be to let them play (I don't know). However, I'm pretty sure that during the recruiting process Tressel made certain promises to the player's family on how he would look out for and treat their kids. And it wasn't to pull their scholarships/kick them off the team after one "relatively minor violation of the rules". He is an "above board" coach and will keep those promises. If the kids say and do the "right things" (i.e. show remorse, etc.) agree to abide by the NCAA penalities, etc. just maybe they should be given a second chance and allowed to play. I'm sure that Tressel will make the correct decision here (i.e. one that is in the best interest of the school, the team, and the kids).

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1839443; said:
Are you fucking kidding me? Cheaters? Now they're cheating?

Where is TPs competitive advantage in selling his gold pants?
Please show me how Mike Adams has gained an edge over his opponents because he was able to sell his gold pants.

They broke rules. They did not "cheat"
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The NCAA must feel there could be some sort of competitive edge gained by schools who's players sell things for cash, otherwise why would it be against the rules? More simply though, my definition of a cheater is someone who breaks the rules. They cheated the system that the NCAA and student athletes operate under, by violating the rules.
 
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