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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

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lvbuckeye said:
Why TF would he want to go to a school that doesn't even have a dedicated special teams coach? Illinois does. Texas A&M does. Ohio State does not.
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This is holding us back big time when it comes to getting quality special teams guys. Until Day gets it in his head that special teams do indeed actually matter and hired a dedicated coach, we are screwed here.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Going back to my fundamental model of an outcome (skill + random variance = outcome)

My issue is (and this is what's changed for me as a football observer over the years), I don't care how good the defense is, RV/"luck" is asymmetrical on the defensive side of the ball. When that skinny tail variance expresses itself on defense, the opponent scores. Springs slips.

As a general strategy (not talking about in game tactical uses of tempo) therefore, I would always optimize to play as few defensive snaps as possible if I had the better team. The surest path to victory in football is to have the per play points advantage because of your skill and to have more offensive plays relative to your opponent...not just absolute, volume more plays because you are actually increasing your odds of winning by limiting their chance at luck.

In general, every offensive snap is a chance for you to express skill and suppress luck. Every defensive snap is an elevated chance for the lesser skilled team to get lucky. It's like giving them more lottery tickets or playing Russian Roulette with more bullets, not fewer.

So anyway, you clearly understand it so that's my only actual point on the risk mitigation/constraint/game theory side of it.

My main argument is that people are confusing the undesirable outcome with the approach and this is the real mistake. Not once have I seen anyone who says "go faster" give equal mind share to the very real possibility that you fail and just end up punting faster.

It's a very common cognitive bias buy essentially it's if they just did this we would have won.
they get x = desired outcome anchored and give zero credence to the possibility of failure of x

It's why the Spinal Tap bit on "these go to 11" is so funny, it hits close to the mark on the truth of the human existence.

NT: "If we sped up, we'd have more chances"
Marty: "What if you sped up and just punted faster?"
NT (long pause): "If we sped up we'd have more chances"
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I totally agree. Pretty much on every point you made. I do, however, think that the strategy deployed is situational by game / opponent and potentially within a game depending on the score. I don’t think that you’re suggesting otherwise, but just to put it out there.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
I totally agree. Pretty much on every point you made. I do, however, think that the strategy deployed is situational by game / opponent and potentially within a game depending on the score. I don’t think that you’re suggesting otherwise, but just to put it out there.
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Agreed.

Problem is you can’t be all things all times. It’s hard to deviate from what you primarily do no matter what it is.

But in-game with the skill advantage I’d go faster at first build the lead, grab an “extra” possession before the half etc if my team could do it well. I’d consider the possibility of it failing and weigh the risk /reward.

In 2025 I don’t think Sayin could do it well. Kid just wasn’t ready to be that guy yet no matter what.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Agreed.

Problem is you can’t be all things all times. It’s hard to deviate from what you primarily do no matter what it is.

But in-game with the skill advantage I’d go faster at first build the lead, grab an “extra” possession before the half etc if my team could do it well. I’d consider the possibility of it failing and weigh the risk /reward.

In 2025 I don’t think Sayin could do it well. Kid just wasn’t ready to be that guy yet no matter what.
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Yup. I think that the pace of play was dictated by Day not wanting to destroy a QB. It will be very interesting to see what happens next year. Sadly, there’s too many variables in play to really determine if it was related to Sayin being young or if it was the OC or what.
 
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Overlooked in all this: Carson Beck is in his sixth year of college football. He’s been in 2 nc games, four ccgs, had 47 starts, is 6’3”, weighs in at 220 something, and can run the ball.

wonderful as he is, this is still just Sayin’s second year, his first CCG and his first start in a CFP game, he’s barely 6’ and I’m guessing weighs about 180. Yet to show an inclination to run with the ball.

thats a lot of advantage to Beck and Miami.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Miami has sent this open/weak side nickel pressure, SIM or 5th man. either c or b gap, all damn year.

The Ole Miss coaching staff had their answers & their players ready.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the lack of offensive preparation for the Miami game is only becoming more glaring watching things like this.

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Yes the team with no coaches was better prepared than our team and the only thing that seems to help is mentally checking out on the season and saying they are happy we beat UM with a pscyopath coach so who cares
 
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Tanner said:
I had never heard of Devin McCain until 5 minutes ago but I'm going to go ahead and say great addition! :lol: We needed another WR pretty badly with Graham and Porter both leaving. I was nervous about having to have to count on Henry Jr possibly being a starter. McCuin's numbers are very solid
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Miami's freshman WR had caught 89 passes *without a single drop* going into the game against the Buckeyes.

"If they're gonna bite, they'll bite as pups." - John Cooper
 
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osuvictory1 said:
OSU had one and it took a position coach away, (JL). That was a disaster.

Special teams can be trained and strategized behind the scenes by high level analysts.
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While that's true, it was befoe the rule change allowing for unlimited coaches. The number limit now only applies to off campus recruiting. Not to mention that Special Teams coach ( Parker Fleming ) got run out of town on a rail.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Miami has sent this open/weak side nickel pressure, SIM or 5th man. either c or b gap, all damn year.

The Ole Miss coaching staff had their answers & their players ready.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the lack of offensive preparation for the Miami game is only becoming more glaring watching things like this.

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Not a good look, and not sure how you can be unprepared for a playoff game. Main guess is that Hartline leaving was more disruptive to game planning than we thought, and Bailey or Bowen was supposed to handle this part and didn't get it done. Ending the season with those offensive performances, plus Day looking overwhelmed the entire Miami game, makes me hopeful for a great OC hire paired with a Boyer type to help them adjust.

I'm hoping they target more NFL guys going forward, because they'll be less likely to leave at the worst time possible.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Miami has sent this open/weak side nickel pressure, SIM or 5th man. either c or b gap, all damn year.

The Ole Miss coaching staff had their answers & their players ready.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the lack of offensive preparation for the Miami game is only becoming more glaring watching things like this.

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They could have shifted the line more, and maybe given Sayin another blocker in the backfield, but I rewatched a lot of the the game, and Sayin just flat out wouldn't throw the ball. Missed guys wide open. Like untouched for multiple TDs wide open. Its really hard to call offense and move the ball when your QB is just frozen. Its going to be interesting if he can shake off hits next year. Because this year he started to get that "Deer in the headlights" look, and sometimes guys can't shake that.

Obviously he has the talent, and the mind to win the heisman, I just hope we get tested more throughout the year next year, so he can work through more growing pains before its do or die.
 
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