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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments - NCAA: no wins taken away, no postseason ban

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osuvictory1 said:
TTUN and their fans are the heel of CFB. Everybody will hate them, and they will sit there in the future with their dumb ass selves wondering why?
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This just seems like projection. I just don't see many American sports fans giving two shits if a school cheated in football years ago. For one thing, there aren't a lot of people who can think critically enough that they see a difference between stealing signs during a game and spending days and weeks analyzing game film to steal a team's signs.
 
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Zem said:
This just seems like projection. I just don't see many American sports fans giving two shits if a school cheated in football years ago. For one thing, there aren't a lot of people who can think critically enough that they see a difference between stealing signs during a game and spending days and weeks analyzing game film to steal a team's signs.
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Possibly somewhat, but their fan base has been absolutely ridiculous through the whole thing, it is impossible to not notice.

Ironically, some national media people are now taking shots at their program after the so called punishment, and I have a feeling that there will be more negativity towards them now that the NCAA thing is over.

This day and age things move like that, and click bait moves trends.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
They have a weird sense of being similar elite better than everyone else public schools and are sort of scUM wannabes.
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Exactly, and they have this insecure demand that everyone acknowledge it. The legendary Texas ego (both university and state) is really fueled by insecurity. New Yorkers or Californians (or Berkeley ot tsun people if you will) don't give a damn about what you think of them, but Texans need that people acknowledge and agree with their grandiose self-image. It's almost as if deep down they know it's bullshit and need your affirmation to tell them it's real.
 
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What this has really driven home for me is that college football is a big business now, and exchanging money is how businesses settle disputes. For example, PG&E pleaded guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter for deaths caused by the 2018 Camp Fire, and was fined four million dollars. I’m sure there were also some wrongful death civil settlements, but nobody went to jail. That’s how the business world operates, and expecting anything else only leads to disappointment. College football doesn’t care about sportsmanship, history, honor, student athletics, or any of the other stuff we care about. It’s just an entertainment product we can choose to watch or not. To borrow a quote from General Patton, college football grew up. Hell of a shame.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
What this has really driven home for me is that college football is a big business now, and exchanging money is how businesses settle disputes. For example, PG&E pleaded guilty to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter for deaths caused by the 2018 Camp Fire, and was fined four million dollars. I’m sure there were also some wrongful death civil settlements, but nobody went to jail. That’s how the business world operates, and expecting anything else only leads to disappointment.
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Totally agree.
CincyInterloper said:
College football doesn’t care about sportsmanship, history, honor, student athletics, or any of the other stuff we care about. It’s just an entertainment product we can choose to watch or not. To borrow a quote from General Patton, college football grew up. Hell of a shame.
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This part I disagree with.

College football didn't grow up, it torn loose from this 19th century indentured servitude/sweat shop model where the schools, NCAA and the Bowls kept all the money and the labor/talent that did all the entertaining was told they were lucky to be there.

I would say the powers that be were exposed for what they were doing instead of giving it some benign euphemism like 'grew up'.

There is nothing about that I would consider a shame except for how long those greedy bastards got away with it and how they continue to try and sell the charade of amateurism to retain some semblance of power.

That is what's shameful in my book.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
TTUN and their fans are the heel of CFB. Everybody will hate them, and they will sit there in the future with their dumb ass selves wondering why?
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Correct.
And they aren’t built to withstand the hate like say, Alabama.
People shit all over the Tide, but then they (by and large) continue to have incredible seasons and beat the hell out of teams.

You can pull this high and mighty crap and then go 8-4 for a decade.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Totally agree.

This part I disagree with.

College football didn't grow up, it torn loose from this 19th century indentured servitude/sweat shop model where the schools, NCAA and the Bowls kept all the money and the labor/talent that did all the entertaining was told they were lucky to be there.

I would say the powers that be were exposed for what they were doing instead of giving it some benign euphemism like 'grew up'.

There is nothing about that I would consider a shame except for how long those greedy bastards got away with it and how they continue to try and sell the charade of amateurism to retain some semblance of power.

That is what's shameful in my book.
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Agree wholeheartedly with this post. I've been watching college ball for over 20 years and even then it was obvious veil of amateurism was a crock of shit. Personally I'm glad athletes no longer have to worry about being suspended an entire season for getting a $500 handshake.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
Unless you live in TX and get a sense of something, I don't see the similarity between each fan base. UT seems to have a Tx attitude. Everything is bigger and all that. But they don't seem to have a weird arrogance.
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I will have to respectfully disagree. UT and their Big Cigars have that arrogance that oozes from their pores.
 
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www.yahoo.com

Mitch Albom: Full truth of Michigan football sign stealing lies at bottom of a murky pond

I know "scum" is found at the bottom of ponds, where things get muddy and murky. This sordid Michigan football tale seems destined to remain there.
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Or this: The NCAA, an increasingly toothless organization, refused to ban the Wolverines from postseason play because it would “unfairly penalize student-athletes for the actions of coaches and staff who are no longer associated with the Michigan football program.”

Well. The folks at USC must be having a good laugh.

The Trojans were banned from bowl games for two years and had to vacate a national championship — long after coach Pete Carroll dashed off to the Seattle Seahawks in the NFL. And Ole Miss football got slapped with a two-year postseason ban well after its former coach Hugh Freeze — accused of recruiting violations and calling for prostitutes on his university cellphone — was gone and working elsewhere.
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