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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments - NCAA: no wins taken away, no postseason ban

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LordJeffBuck said:
5. And really, when you think about it, what does it matter if games are fixed? Or if not outright fixed, at least played on a uneven field. As long the viewer is entertained and the gambler is ignorant and the conferences and coaches and players are adequately compensated, who really loses? Sure, a few hardcore fans will walk away, disgusted at seeing their favorite sport compromised to such an extent that it is no longer recognizable or enjoyable. But who cares about guys like us? We'll be replaced by legions of gamblers who root for point spreads and over-unders and moneylines, not for the scarlet and gray (or whatever colors your favorite jersey happens to be).
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Perfectly stated and exactly where I've arrived. CFB (and more importantly my beloved Buckeyes) was my absolute favorite form of entertainment and escape. My Saturdays from a pre-teen into my 40s revolved around CFB. It was more of an obsession than an interest. There was no "off-season." I loved everything about it. The passion, the pageantry, the traditions, the rivalries...all of it. That's all gone. What's left is a sad husk of what provided me so much joy (and, yes, sometimes misery). Now it's a glorified pro league without any form of regulation. Players play for 3,4, hell I've seen a few at 5 schools. There's no pride, no loyalty; it's all $$$ now.

College football is now entirely the 1980s SWC; corrupt to its very core and the best cheaters rise to the top. It's a bunch of mercs wearing your school's laundry for a year or two, then on to the next bag. Then there's the realignment. We're in a conference now with Oregon, UW , and the LA schools? Cal and Stanford are in a conference with Clempson and FSU? Huh?

I have zero interest in it. It's like the NBA to me; a once great entity that has been ruined. 2024 was my swan song. Ain't watching, don't care anymore. I should be Uber hyped for a #1 vs. #2 matchup with Texas in a couple weeks; don't care. It's all a sham.

At least I went out seeing the Bucks on top one last time. Thanks for the memories but I can't anymore. It's sad, very sad but the game has been so thoroughly compromised that I can't waste my time on it.

Those of you who can still stomach it, I hope the Bucks make it worth your while. I've had some truly memorable times posting here with you fine folks and I thank you for those memories. I hope you make many more.
 
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I think LJB nailed it and thats what really pisses me off. Im the sucker. The rube. The dipshit that cares about The Game. The Shoe. Helmet stickers and marching bands. I thought they wouldn't fuck it up so badly for fear of losing the people that made the sport worth strangling and skull fucking for profit. But gambling and TV have slain the golden goose and we are now just seeing how long they can keep the marionetted corpse dancing without its face skin sloughing off and horrifying the other rubes enough to turn away. All hail capitalism.
 
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I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real
The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything
What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
 
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See y'all at the high school games. Like IMG and other prep schools. Just designate different divisions for NFL regulation and be over with it. The main thing that has been lost in the last few decades is: Purity. That's the one thing we could gather around. Not a paycheck, NIL, or hookers. That's my team. The only reason I will watch OSU FB is the brotherhood. Once that wains, I'm out.

Purity.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
Basically tsun is that white rich bitch boi Stanford student who raped a girl behind a dumpster and got like 4 mo probation because the judge didn't want to ruin a life.

Ironic especially when considering one of their most visible alumni threatened a rape victim into silence.

I hope whomever the whistle blower is just comes forward and spills their guts. If integrity compelled them to act in the first place idk how they could sleep knowing it lead to...this.

We should just alter our official record books. What are they gonna do about it? Fine us? :lol:
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Oh, do you mean Brock Allen Turner the rapist? Who apparently now goes by Allen Turner the rapist or Alan Turner the rapist? Gosh, I would hate for someone to search his name and forget to add “the rapist” when they found his name. Poor guy could t even enjoy a steak anymore because he was so traumatized from being a rapist.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
Oh, do you mean Brock Allen Turner the rapist? Who apparently now goes by Allen Turner the rapist or Alan Turner the rapist? Gosh, I would hate for someone to search his name and forget to add “the rapist” when they found his name. Poor guy could t even enjoy a steak anymore because he was so traumatized from being a rapist.
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I liked it better when you posted pics of pole vaulters who's dad's didn't want said pictures posted all over the internet.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
Oh, do you mean Brock Allen Turner the rapist? Who apparently now goes by Allen Turner the rapist or Alan Turner the rapist? Gosh, I would hate for someone to search his name and forget to add “the rapist” when they found his name. Poor guy could t even enjoy a steak anymore because he was so traumatized from being a rapist.
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Yes, I do believe he was referring to Brock Allen Turner the rapist who now goes by Alan Turner the rapist.
 
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TDunk said:
See y'all at the high school games. Like IMG and other prep schools. Just designate different divisions for NFL regulation and be over with it. The main thing that has been lost in the last few decades is: Purity. That's the one thing we could gather around. Not a paycheck, NIL, or hookers. That's my team. The only reason I will watch OSU FB is the brotherhood. Once that wains, I'm out.

Purity.
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A friend of mine sent me a clip from one of those football podcasts. Don't know which one, they're a dime a dozen. But Greg Olsen was on it and they were talking about their favorite level of playing.

Everyone agreed that it was high-school. The biggest collective reason they shared was that word - purity. It's just you and your boys, Friday night lights, then the team across town. You'll even know a lot of the guys on the opposite side. That was my experience growing up, especially small town football. I loved every minute of it and looking back, they're right, I miss how pure and straightforward it was.

Buckeye football used to feel like that to me as well. The bulk of your roster was in-state and regional talent. These kids were handed educational and financial opportunities through the medium of football. Those that didn't go pro would take their education, their network developed while at tOSU, and often return home to make a positive impact on their community.

Can't help but also point out that a football scholarship has lifted kids out of bad areas, bad situations, bad families, etc etc. Where the opportunity through tOSU and football helped that kid to better themselves and, again, their community when their Buckeye praying days were over.

I think that's one of the reasons I always felt that recruiting and your conference alignments should focus on regional integrity. I've viewed it as a reinvestment in your community, your state and surrounding states.




We're coming up on the 20th anniversary of the 2005 season. Probably one of the very best years in CFB history with a ton of memorable games. But I can't help to grieve a loss. I feel we've lost the best regular season in all of sports. We've exchanged quality and the week to week thrill of the unknown for quantity and watered down playoffs. The loss of rivalry, pageantry, regional integrity and most importantly- The Game.

I'll watch, but there's a splinter in my heart, just sitting there driving me silently mad because it won't allow my heart to feel fullness for CFB again. And this latest NCAA sure as fuck has done all it can to get push that splinter further down.
 
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I think the big ten commissioner too fucked the rest of the big ten with his recommendation.
That swayed more than people think.

Unreal that he can send that scathing letter when he suspended Harbaugh yet wanted the NCAA not to do anything?

He did not think of the other schools who had to play against those cheating fucks
 
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The only “Justice” in this world will be on the field of play. EVERY team that has a lead late in the game against these cock suckers should keep their foot on the gas pedal. Keep the starters in. Throw play action and don’t EVER take a knee against them. And when asked by the media why, just say “Because the NCAA wouldn’t punish them, we took matters into our own hands” . It will be a new code that it’s acceptable to do to only Michigan.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
1. I am disappointed by this outcome but certainly not surprised. You can blame the COI all you want, but this decision reeks of Top Men. And the fix was in from the beginning, which is why Balas and Wetzel and all the other homers and honks knew all along that scUM was going to get a slap on the wrist despite proven violations of not one but two NCAA Bylaws (repeat violator; aggravated Level I) that clearly warranted, if not mandated, a multi-year postseason ban.

2. So how did the COI deal with those pesky little Bylaws? They reanimated the corpse of the student athlete! Yes, like a medieval saint, when the COI pried open the tomb of the long dead student-athlete they found that the body was incorrupt. A miracle from God and indisputable evidence that the student-athlete is holy. So holy, in fact, that he has the divine power to make a multi-year postseason ban disappear: "However, the panel determined that a postseason ban would unfairly penalize student-athletes for the actions of coaches and staff who are no longer associated with the Michigan football program. Thus, the panel determined a more appropriate penalty is an offsetting financial penalty instead of a two-year postseason ban."

3. Of course, nobody really believes for a minute that this decision had anything to do with scUM student-athletes. If you haven't already noticed, "sports" is now the least important element of the "Sports-Media-Wagering" triumvirate (or should I say trifecta?). It's no longer a case of the tail wagging the dog – sports has become the tail, and a curly little tail at that. Athletic competitions don't real mean anything anymore, other than as content to support the media and wagering industries. Like it or not, scUM is a big brand that attracts lots of eyes and ears and dollars, and removing scUM content hurts the "dog". In this case, the dog barked. And Top Men listened lest the dog actually bite.

4. Okay, so the COI (or Top Men, same difference) didn't want to damage their relationships with their media and wagering "partners" (or masters, to be more accurate) by removing one of their biggest brands from the lucrative postseason market. I get that logic, it makes sense to me. With that being the case, why not force scUM to vacate all of their ill-gotten wins and titles instead? Because in an era where gambling on sporting events is not only broadly legal but highly encouraged through vast marketing campaigns, you simply can't make the results of games "un-happen". As @billmac91 stated earlier in this thread:



In the past, cheaters were punished to protect the integrity of the game. Now, cheaters will be rewarded to protect the integrity of the wager. The cheater will never be forced to give back what he won in the past, or prevented from competing in the future, because the media-wagering complex cannot allow the public to think that anyone is using loaded dice or a stacked deck. If someone is caught cheating (I mean, not really cheating, mind you, but doing something that maybe falls into a loophole or two), there will be stern language and hefty fines and a few heads are gonna roll, but in the end the Top Men will determine that there is "insufficient evidence that [insert cheating scandal here] changed the outcome of games."

5. And really, when you think about it, what does it matter if games are fixed? Or if not outright fixed, at least played on an uneven field. As long the viewer is entertained and the gambler is ignorant and the conferences and coaches and players are adequately compensated, who really loses? Sure, a few hardcore fans will walk away, disgusted at seeing their favorite sport compromised to such an extent that it is no longer recognizable or enjoyable. But who cares about guys like us? We'll be replaced by legions of gamblers who root for point spreads and over-unders and moneylines, not for the scarlet and gray (or whatever colors your favorite jersey happens to be).
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The parallels to the Roman Empire are uncanny
 
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