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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
If posted apologies. You can't make this shit up. Lol
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Re: Michigan received a series of fines that could eclipse $30 million but avoided punitive penalties such as a postseason ban or the vacating of victories, including during the 2023 national championship season.
This is total BULLSHIT by the NCAA, obviously the NCAA infractions committee have no balls whatsoever:
Just sayin': I'm in Jamaica (just returned from the beach and checked the news) and I can smell the NCAA bullshit decision even down here.
This is total BULLSHIT by the NCAA, obviously the NCAA infractions committee have no balls whatsoever:
Just sayin': I'm in Jamaica (just returned from the beach and checked the news) and I can smell the NCAA bullshit decision even down here.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
After thinking it over. The sad thing is TTUN may have grounds for appeal. The decision is arguably inconsistent. The NCAA ruled that Scum cheated, but also didn't cheat at the same time.
Great job NCAA! Kudos.
Great job NCAA! Kudos.
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In hindsight it shoulda been very easy to see this coming.
3 major money forces were never going to want to admit to the compromising of the sport.
Gambling
TV Networks
Big money corporate sponsors
All are more than happy to see this just go into the good night without having to further address it.
3 major money forces were never going to want to admit to the compromising of the sport.
Gambling
TV Networks
Big money corporate sponsors
All are more than happy to see this just go into the good night without having to further address it.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
They actually ruled that TTUN did cheat, but not to a punitive extent. Basically.
If you ask me, if there is a lawsuit for gambling, there is merit.
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
Tattoo-gate received a harsher punishment than outright fucking cheating.
The NCAA should dissolve. Fucking irrelevant twats.
The NCAA should dissolve. Fucking irrelevant twats.
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Captain Buckeye
Assistant Coach
As someone that’s OCD and who is in the financial crimes industry … what bothers me is the lack of justice.
Yes I’m an OSU fringe… but they go through all the trouble of cheating their way to literally a title and they get a financial penalty? The NCAA couldn’t possibly know the scope of all of this and they admit that. Yet nothing?
They didn’t account for all the coaches who lost their jobs, the awards lost, the wins taken, the big ten titles, the jobs gained…
None of that.
As someone who thrives on closed loops. This will drive me crazy for a very long time.
The only comfort I have is this seems to have resonated with everyone. We all know what this is and what should’ve been.
This is worse than SMU by multiples. We all know what they deserved
Yes I’m an OSU fringe… but they go through all the trouble of cheating their way to literally a title and they get a financial penalty? The NCAA couldn’t possibly know the scope of all of this and they admit that. Yet nothing?
They didn’t account for all the coaches who lost their jobs, the awards lost, the wins taken, the big ten titles, the jobs gained…
None of that.
As someone who thrives on closed loops. This will drive me crazy for a very long time.
The only comfort I have is this seems to have resonated with everyone. We all know what this is and what should’ve been.
This is worse than SMU by multiples. We all know what they deserved
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Captain Buckeye
Assistant Coach
As an obvious avengers fan what I wouldn’t give for Ultron to throw a meteor at Ann Arbor. Sincerely I wish them harm.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
In a WWE reference, TTUN is the ultimate CFB heel going forward. Who can have any respect for them?
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Basically tsun is that white rich bitch boi Stanford student who raped a girl behind a dumpster and got like 4 mo probation because the judge didn't want to ruin a life.
Ironic especially when considering one of their most visible alumni threatened a rape victim into silence.
I hope whomever the whistle blower is just comes forward and spills their guts. If integrity compelled them to act in the first place idk how they could sleep knowing it lead to...this.
We should just alter our official record books. What are they gonna do about it? Fine us?
Ironic especially when considering one of their most visible alumni threatened a rape victim into silence.
I hope whomever the whistle blower is just comes forward and spills their guts. If integrity compelled them to act in the first place idk how they could sleep knowing it lead to...this.
We should just alter our official record books. What are they gonna do about it? Fine us?
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1. I am disappointed by this outcome but certainly not surprised. You can blame the COI all you want, but this decision reeks of Top Men. And the fix was in from the beginning, which is why Balas and Wetzel and all the other homers and honks knew all along that scUM was going to get a slap on the wrist despite proven violations of not one but two NCAA Bylaws (repeat violator; aggravated Level I) that clearly warranted, if not mandated, a multi-year postseason ban.
2. So how did the COI deal with those pesky little Bylaws? They reanimated the corpse of the student athlete! Yes, like a medieval saint, when the COI pried open the tomb of the long dead student-athlete they found that the body was incorrupt. A miracle from God and indisputable evidence that the student-athlete is holy. So holy, in fact, that he has the divine power to make a multi-year postseason ban disappear: "However, the panel determined that a postseason ban would unfairly penalize student-athletes for the actions of coaches and staff who are no longer associated with the Michigan football program. Thus, the panel determined a more appropriate penalty is an offsetting financial penalty instead of a two-year postseason ban."
3. Of course, nobody really believes for a minute that this decision had anything to do with scUM student-athletes. If you haven't already noticed, "sports" is now the least important element of the "Sports-Media-Wagering" triumvirate (or should I say trifecta?). It's no longer a case of the tail wagging the dog – sports has become the tail, and a curly little tail at that. Athletic competitions don't real mean anything anymore, other than as content to support the media and wagering industries. Like it or not, scUM is a big brand that attracts lots of eyes and ears and dollars, and removing scUM content hurts the "dog". In this case, the dog barked. And Top Men listened lest the dog actually bite.
4. Okay, so the COI (or Top Men, same difference) didn't want to damage their relationships with their media and wagering "partners" (or masters, to be more accurate) by removing one of their biggest brands from the lucrative postseason market. I get that logic, it makes sense to me. With that being the case, why not force scUM to vacate all of their ill-gotten wins and titles instead? Because in an era where gambling on sporting events is not only broadly legal but highly encouraged through vast marketing campaigns, you simply can't make the results of games "un-happen". As @billmac91 stated earlier in this thread:
In the past, cheaters were punished to protect the integrity of the game. Now, cheaters will be rewarded to protect the integrity of the wager. The cheater will never be forced to give back what he won in the past, or prevented from competing in the future, because the media-wagering complex cannot allow the public to think that anyone is using loaded dice or a stacked deck. If someone is caught cheating (I mean, not really cheating, mind you, but doing something that maybe falls into a loophole or two), there will be stern language and hefty fines and a few heads are gonna roll, but in the end the Top Men will determine that there is "insufficient evidence that [insert cheating scandal here] changed the outcome of games."
5. And really, when you think about it, what does it matter if games are fixed? Or if not outright fixed, at least played on a uneven field. As long the viewer is entertained and the gambler is ignorant and the conferences and coaches and players are adequately compensated, who really loses? Sure, a few hardcore fans will walk away, disgusted at seeing their favorite sport compromised to such an extent that it is no longer recognizable or enjoyable. But who cares about guys like us? We'll be replaced by legions of gamblers who root for point spreads and over-unders and moneylines, not for the scarlet and gray (or whatever colors your favorite jersey happens to be).
2. So how did the COI deal with those pesky little Bylaws? They reanimated the corpse of the student athlete! Yes, like a medieval saint, when the COI pried open the tomb of the long dead student-athlete they found that the body was incorrupt. A miracle from God and indisputable evidence that the student-athlete is holy. So holy, in fact, that he has the divine power to make a multi-year postseason ban disappear: "However, the panel determined that a postseason ban would unfairly penalize student-athletes for the actions of coaches and staff who are no longer associated with the Michigan football program. Thus, the panel determined a more appropriate penalty is an offsetting financial penalty instead of a two-year postseason ban."
3. Of course, nobody really believes for a minute that this decision had anything to do with scUM student-athletes. If you haven't already noticed, "sports" is now the least important element of the "Sports-Media-Wagering" triumvirate (or should I say trifecta?). It's no longer a case of the tail wagging the dog – sports has become the tail, and a curly little tail at that. Athletic competitions don't real mean anything anymore, other than as content to support the media and wagering industries. Like it or not, scUM is a big brand that attracts lots of eyes and ears and dollars, and removing scUM content hurts the "dog". In this case, the dog barked. And Top Men listened lest the dog actually bite.
4. Okay, so the COI (or Top Men, same difference) didn't want to damage their relationships with their media and wagering "partners" (or masters, to be more accurate) by removing one of their biggest brands from the lucrative postseason market. I get that logic, it makes sense to me. With that being the case, why not force scUM to vacate all of their ill-gotten wins and titles instead? Because in an era where gambling on sporting events is not only broadly legal but highly encouraged through vast marketing campaigns, you simply can't make the results of games "un-happen". As @billmac91 stated earlier in this thread:
In the past, cheaters were punished to protect the integrity of the game. Now, cheaters will be rewarded to protect the integrity of the wager. The cheater will never be forced to give back what he won in the past, or prevented from competing in the future, because the media-wagering complex cannot allow the public to think that anyone is using loaded dice or a stacked deck. If someone is caught cheating (I mean, not really cheating, mind you, but doing something that maybe falls into a loophole or two), there will be stern language and hefty fines and a few heads are gonna roll, but in the end the Top Men will determine that there is "insufficient evidence that [insert cheating scandal here] changed the outcome of games."
5. And really, when you think about it, what does it matter if games are fixed? Or if not outright fixed, at least played on a uneven field. As long the viewer is entertained and the gambler is ignorant and the conferences and coaches and players are adequately compensated, who really loses? Sure, a few hardcore fans will walk away, disgusted at seeing their favorite sport compromised to such an extent that it is no longer recognizable or enjoyable. But who cares about guys like us? We'll be replaced by legions of gamblers who root for point spreads and over-unders and moneylines, not for the scarlet and gray (or whatever colors your favorite jersey happens to be).
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