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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

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buckeyemania11 said:
Has scUM themselves ever actually denied the allegations? Seems like they've only played the "well everyone does it" line.
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I thought they all collectively denied it from the start. It seemed like Hairball got Ono in his corner early on and dug in until the seasons end. Then once they won the Natty and the off season began, he could go forward with his NFL plans and who he was going to take with. I think Moore was made the scapegoat so he could continue his CFB coaching career. Because even with a show cause, some team at the level or Purdue, Texas Tech or Oregon St would take a chance on him

The few scUM fans I know that aren't insufferable just want this to go away and want the punishment to just come down so they can move on. But they know something happened, and when confronted will admit the team cheated. But those people are in the sheer minority.
 
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pnuts34 said:
I thought they all collectively denied it from the start. It seemed like Hairball got Ono in his corner early on and dug in until the seasons end. Then once they won the Natty and the off season began, he could go forward with his NFL plans and who he was going to take with. I think Moore was made the scapegoat so he could continue his CFB coaching career. Because even with a show cause, some team at the level or Purdue, Texas Tech or Oregon St would take a chance on him

The few scUM fans I know that aren't insufferable just want this to go away and want the punishment to just come down so they can move on. But they know something happened, and when confronted will admit the team cheated. But those people are in the sheer minority.
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The DFBIA even admit at times that they cheated although they try to play it off as no big deal. For example downplaying it with "It was just people in the crowd with iPhones what harm is that!"
 
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As has been said before:

1) you don’t tell players not to cooperate if you think no rules were broken
2) you don’t tamper with evidence (delete text messages etc) if you think no rules were broken

There are many other things that could be said here based on things we have very good reasons to believe, but the 2 above are known, already proven, and show without any doubt that several staff members knew.

Based on the safe assumption that the ncaa knows a lot more than we do at this point, it is safe to say that they will not be entertaining any claims of ignorance. The only appropriate response to DFBIA claims of ignorance is derisive laughter
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
As has been said before:

1) you don’t tell players not to cooperate if you think no rules were broken
2) you don’t tamper with evidence (delete text messages etc) if you think no rules were broken

There are many other things that could be said here based on things we have very good reasons to believe, but the 2 above are known, already proven, and show without any doubt that several staff members knew.

Based on the safe assumption that the ncaa knows a lot more than we do at this point, it is safe to say that they will not be entertaining any claims of ignorance. The only appropriate response to DFBIA claims of ignorance is derisive laughter
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And hilariously, this is what is probably going to cost them the most. The cheating in and of itself is bad enough, but rule #1 with the NCAA is don't be a difficult asshole. And they did this right on the heels of another investigation where they were punished largely for their lack of cooperation rather than the wrongdoing itself. Bad enough that their prior HC is now blacklisted from the game. Just stunning arrogance and incompetence.
 
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So, even after they get their punishment for their current investigation, it looks like they still have the Weiss stuff and now maybe the Corum/LLC bullshit on deck. So, the "cheeseburgers" investigation started in what? 2021? This current investigation looks like it'll wrap up at some point this year, so that's 4 solid years under investigation with more on deck. So, they're looking at...5,6,7 straight years dealing with the NCAA? DPIA. Dirtiest program of all-time (DPoAT)?
 
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I don't expect any NCAA action on the Corum / LLC matter for several reasons, and ultimately I don't think it would matter.
Anything unveiled by those currently working that angle would likely be for public awareness, shame, and trolling purposes.
+ 18 HS

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Ive said this once before and ill repeat myself. The person I talk to is on the same page as PD on pretty much everything he has stated on here. But he swears that the BC LLC will be looked into. It is an NCAA rule that players cant be in business with coaches. This broken rule alone is enough to wipe everything off the table Win and Title Wise with the NCAA. Not saying PD is wrong but the person I talk to swears this wont go unpunished. Take it for what its worth
 
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charlohiottean said:
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Premierdrum 2 HOURS AGO
I don't expect any NCAA action on the Corum / LLC matter for several reasons, and ultimately I don't think it would matter.
Anything unveiled by those currently working that angle would likely be for public awareness, shame, and trolling purposes.
+ 18 HS

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BeaverOhioBuckeye 1 HOUR AGO
Ive said this once before and ill repeat myself. The person I talk to is on the same page as PD on pretty much everything he has stated on here. But he swears that the BC LLC will be looked into. It is an NCAA rule that players cant be in business with coaches. This broken rule alone is enough to wipe everything off the table Win and Title Wise with the NCAA. Not saying PD is wrong but the person I talk to swears this wont go unpunished. Take it for what its worth
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The NCAA clearly has a hard-on for tCun, and rightfully so. If there's something there in the Corum stuff, I cannot see them saying "pass."
 
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stlbuckeye15: 5 hours ago
They cheated. They got caught. They lied.
They're going to be punished.
May their armpits be infested with the fleas of 1,000 camels.
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premierdrum: 2 hours ago
The initial framework offered last July included vacation of all or most of the 21-23 records (there was some discussion of full season vacation vs. vacation only of teams who were targeted by the scheme).
As time progressed and UM resisted, there were indications that enforcement began to discuss "no contest" rulings (which erases both the win and loss from both teams involved). Up until things went quiet in the runup to the COI hearing, I never heard anything from any credible source about forfeits.
With all that said, nobody is able to definitively say what will be decided by the COI: Not anybody here, not Boob Salsa and his "UM contacts," not anyone on Twitter. This case is now in the hands of folks who represent member institutions, including some whose schools were impacted by the scheme. My expectations are unchanged.

Just sayin': I've heard of vacated wins a forfeits; however, "no contest" is a new one. Anyone ever heard of a NCAA ruling of "no contest" before? Needless to say, scUm forfeiting the games would be the best; but, "no contest" would be better than just cacating scUM's wins, etc.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Just sayin': I've heard of vacated wins a forfeits; however, "no contest" is a new one. ANyone ever heard of a NCAA ruling of "no contest" before? Needless to say, scUm forfeiting the games would be the best; but, "no contest" would be better than just cacating scUM's wins, etc.
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I've never heard of "no contest" in this sense.
I agree with your hierarchy, but they won't be forfeits. I don't have any insider information, but I feel very confident in my statement that they won't be forfeits.
I also feel confident that a ruling of "no contest" will not be made for any game.
All of the cheaters' wins from 2021 to 2023 will be vacated, only.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Posted on 11W:

stlbuckeye15: 5 hours ago
They cheated. They got caught. They lied.
They're going to be punished.
May their armpits be infested with the fleas of 1,000 camels.
:lol:

premierdrum: 2 hours ago
The initial framework offered last July included vacation of all or most of the 21-23 records (there was some discussion of full season vacation vs. vacation only of teams who were targeted by the scheme).
As time progressed and UM resisted, there were indications that enforcement began to discuss "no contest" rulings (which erases both the win and loss from both teams involved). Up until things went quiet in the runup to the COI hearing, I never heard anything from any credible source about forfeits.
With all that said, nobody is able to definitively say what will be decided by the COI: Not anybody here, not Boob Salsa and his "UM contacts," not anyone on Twitter. This case is now in the hands of folks who represent member institutions, including some whose schools were impacted by the scheme. My expectations are unchanged.

Just sayin': I've heard of vacated wins a forfeits; however, "no contest" is a new one. ANyone ever heard of a NCAA ruling of "no contest" before? Needless to say, scUm forfeiting the games would be the best; but, "no contest" would be better than just cacating scUM's wins, etc.
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I like the “no contest” approach compared to vacating wins. The 2010 version of The Game is considered a loss for tCun but not a win for The Buckeyes, so the teams have all-time records that don’t match up, which is stupid.

Take away the wins and the losses, and the number of games they’ve played each other will not get more out of whack.

The Game is currently 62-52-6 from Up North, and 51-62-6 from C-Bus.

Taking away 2021 and 2022 and turning them into “no contests” would make it 60-52-6 and 51-60-6 respectively.

Then catching them in the head-to-head is somewhat closer.

Forfeits would still be preferred, of course.
 
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