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2024 tOSU Offense Discussion

QUICK HITS: JUSTIN FRYE SAYS OHIO STATE’S O-LINE HAS “A LOT MORE STILL TO GO” THIS SPRING, JOSH FRYAR LIKES PLAYING GUARD AND TACKLE AND SETH MCLAUGHLIN IS “HEAD OVER HEELS” TO BE A BUCKEYE​

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  • On where Ohio State offensive line needs to improve the most this offseason: “We’re working on the right side. No, we’re still trying to find five. We’re going in platoons. We’re seeing who works well with each other, what spots and how that works. We just just finished (practice) nine. We got a lot more still to go.”
  • On who has stood out after nine practices: “We got some guys competing on the left side. We got some young guys. Austin (Siereveld) has been doing a good job coming up. Donovan (Jackson) had a really good plan in the offseason coming out, and he’s been attacking that stuff – the second level and some of the stuff we really honed in on. As a whole, the whole group, we’re still trying to find those five, and what that is I don’t have an answer.”
  • “Good gradable reps versus obviously a very good defensive front. As we come out of this thing, we’re gonna have a good picture for where we’re heading.” Frye said Ohio State will find its five best offensive linemen through grading: “As we grade, you can see the guys who grade well in critical situations. We have to put them in third-and-long situations. We have to put them in coming outs. We have to put them in short yardage. You have to manufacture enough of those so you can see in critical situations how these guys respond.”
  • Frye said competition will help Ohio State find its top five offensive linemen: “The cream always rises to the top.” He added: “If you’re going against Tyleik (Williams), if you’re going against Ty (Hamilton), if you’re going against Hero (Kanu) and (Kayden McDonald) and these guys now, we’re getting really good gradable reps that way.”
  • On Carson Hinzman: “He had a great offseason. It all started in the weight room with (strength coach Mick Marotti). His weight is up. He’s thick. He has always been an explosive guy, but he’s playing with a little bit of power behind him. He’s learning to do that. And then it’s natural maturation for all those guys in just his class alone. You’re talking him, you’re talking George, you’re talking Tegra, those guys are going into year three. That’s when you really start to figure it out – your body, the speed of the game, your fundamentals. He’s done a good job of adapting and really growing himself on a pace that you need to for a young guy that’s coming out of the fire last year.”
  • On Seth McLaughlin: “He just jumped right in. (He did an) unbelievable job both ways of him coming in shoving the ego, which he really had none, and walking into a room – as we told him when we recruited him – with a bunch of good dudes. And then our good dudes are good dudes. … There’s a learning curve there, but he’s been through a little bit of spring ball, and he’s been through a little bit of camp, but he’s still learning new terminology and learning a new skill set. But he dove right in and wanted to be a sponge, wanted to learn. He’s improving every day.”
  • On Luke Montgomery: “You can’t make moves or shift guys if they’re not mentally there. For him, he’s got a pretty good football (IQ). He’s growing every day, and he’s working. He’s getting beat every day, too, and he’s learning from that in the springtime. … Whether he’s coming in and watching the tape on his own and coming with questions or he’s grabbing me and watching tape with me, he’s learning so the game can slow down and he can get more comfortable with the friction. His weight is up. His strength is up. He spent an offseason with Mick. There’s a lot of development that still has to be had – he’s obviously not a finished product – but mentally for a guy to handle that helps a lot.”
  • Frye said Ian Moore, Devontae Armstrong and Deontae Armstrong goal for their freshman year should be to “keep their head above water” and work on their physical and mental development.
  • Frye said Josh Fryar “could play all five” offensive line positions, mentioning that Frye played center and snapped the ball in high school. He added: “Josh has had a great offseason.”
  • Frye said he “would have laughed” if someone told him two years ago that Chip Kelly would follow him to Ohio State and become the Buckeyes’ offensive coordinator. “But then I would have said, ‘It’s college football, so who knows?’”
  • On Chip Kelly: “He’s one of those guys that goes in the category that’s forgotten more football than some people have learned in their life. I believe he’s coached every position on both sides of the field, both sides of the ball, through his whole career. … He provides a really good vision of the big picture and understanding the next step, not just being in the right now.”
  • On Tegra Tshabola: “He was competing his butt off. He’s kind of living that way. That’s why we have that red line over there. When you cross the line, and Coach (Ryan) Day talks about that here, the game doesn’t care. You have to come out and do your job. The game doesn’t care about anything off the field. That can sound negative and harsh, but then if you spin your tone, isn’t it beautiful that the game doesn’t care? It doesn’t care about your skin color, your socioeconomic background or where you come from. If you do it the right way, the game will love you back. … For Tegra, he’s taken that approach. He wants to come in and be the guy.”
  • On Josh Simmons: “I think the game is slowing down for him. Those mistakes that may have showed up or the questions he may have had through the fall and the season, those are starting to erase a little bit, which is good. His communication level – he’s just talking more, which is probably the best thing he’s done so far. He’s a highly, highly talented guy. We’re just developing the skills, the discipline. … Volume and communication equals confidence. He’s playing much more confident right now.”
Click on the kink and see what see what Josh Fryer, Seth McLaughlin, Carson Hinzman, Luke Montgomery, Tegra Tshabola, and George Fitzpatrick had to say too.
 
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Off-season ignoring of dependent clauses seems to be in effect too

He said IF the line becomes a great unit

That’s an awfully big if

Will the transfer center pan out?
Will all the weight room progress we’ve heard about turn out to be real?
Will the reunification of Chip Kelly with Frye bear fruit?
Will a big-body running qb be the piece that unlocks potential?

There are legit reasons to think that an affirmative answer to three of the above would not be an unreasonable expectation. Four if we’re lucky.

IF things fall our way…

Sure. Why not
 
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Off-season ignoring of dependent clauses seems to be in effect too

He said IF the line becomes a great unit

That’s an awfully big if

Will the transfer center pan out?
Will all the weight room progress we’ve heard about turn out to be real?
Will the reunification of Chip Kelly with Frye bear fruit?
Will a big-body running qb be the piece that unlocks potential?

There are legit reasons to think that an affirmative answer to three of the above would not be an unreasonable expectation. Four if we’re lucky.

IF things fall our way…

Sure. Why not
Even with that massive IF, 50ppg is the epitome of scarlet colored glasses. That would mean not only the OL is at its absolute best, but the QBs(which ever one wins out) would be putting up some crazy numbers. When according to Day, this offense is going to rely heavily on the legs of Trey and Q(as well as Dallan). If the run game is the strength, OSU isn’t putting up 50ppg. But again, I’d love to be wrong, and I’d love nothing more than you and @Bestbuck36 to rub it in my face on January 20, 2025 if OSU is hoisting the NC at seasons end
 
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RYAN DAY EXCITED ABOUT OHIO STATE’S DEPTH AT RUNNING BACK​

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Because Ohio State has been without a full-time running backs coach since Tony Alford left for Michigan, Ryan Day has spent a lot of time working with the running backs himself over Ohio State’s past two weeks of spring practice.

He likes what he’s seen from the position group, particularly how they’ve picked up the wrinkles being added to Ohio State’s running game by new offensive coordinator Chip Kelly.

“I think all the running backs have run hard this spring,” Day said Saturday. “I think that they're seeing a little bit of the different schemes that we're doing – not that they're that much different, but just a little bit different – and they're picking that up really well.”

Ohio State’s top two running backs don’t have much to prove this spring.

TreVeyon Henderson has already been one of the Buckeyes’ biggest stars for the past three years. Quinshon Judkins is in his first offseason as a Buckeye, but he’s well-established as one of college football’s top running backs after earning first-team All-SEC honors in both of his seasons at Ole Miss.

That said, Henderson has impressed Day with the leadership he’s shown as the established veteran of his unit. Judkins has had little trouble acclimating to his new team, as evidenced by his black stripe removal following only six practices as a Buckeye.

“I think Trey's done a great job with his leadership,” Day said. “Quinshon’s done a really good job coming in.”

The more important objective for Ohio State at running back this spring is to build depth behind Henderson and Judkins. While those two are likely to receive the lion’s share of carries for the Buckeyes this season as long as both remain healthy, depth has never been as important in college football as it will be this year with the expansion of the College Football Playoff. Even without that, Ohio State had to reach deep into its running back depth chart due to injuries in each of the last two seasons.

Dallan Hayden has seen playing time in both of those seasons as a result, and he’s performed well when the Buckeyes have needed him to step up. Yet he played in only four games last season as Ohio State decided to redshirt him, and his outlook for consistent playing time entering his redshirt sophomore season remains uncertain after the Buckeyes brought in Judkins.

Based on what Day said Saturday, though, it sounds as though Hayden is doing what he needs to do to solidify himself as Ohio State’s No. 3 running back and make the case that he belongs in the rotation, too.

“I think Dallan Hayden’s had a really good spring,” Day said.
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Offense will be able to score from anywhere and play numerous styles this year. I honestly feel like we could finally get to the 50ppg average this year if the line becomes a great unit. Whoo

My first thought is "go for the record"....Army in 1944....averaged 56.0 ppg.

Then I decided it is more important to play the 2nd and 3rd stringers, develop the backups (especially at QB), and not risk injury to the starters when the game is already won.

Even with that massive IF, 50ppg is the epitome of scarlet colored glasses. That would mean not only the OL is at its absolute best, but the QBs(which ever one wins out) would be putting up some crazy numbers. When according to Day, this offense is going to rely heavily on the legs of Trey and Q(as well as Dallan). If the run game is the strength, OSU isn’t putting up 50ppg. But again, I’d love to be wrong, and I’d love nothing more than you and @Bestbuck36 to rub it in my face on January 20, 2025 if OSU is hoisting the NC at seasons end
05' SC did it as a run first team.

3000 yards between two running backs.

The 1944 Army team did it with the run game too.


Mr Inside and Mr Outside:

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"Mr. Inside" was fullback Felix "Doc" Blanchard (#35 in the pictures above), and "Mr. Outside" was halfback Glenn Davis (#41). These backs were consensus All Americans all 3 years they played at Army, 1944-1946, leading the team to a total record of 27-0-1 and 3 school-claimed MNCs in those years, and again, each brought home a Heisman Trophy in later seasons. In 1944, Blanchard finished 3rd in the Heisman vote, Davis 2nd.*

Blanchard and Davis played themselves in a 1947 Hollywood movie of their story, "The Spirit of West Point." Their acting abilities did not match their football prowess...... :lol:

*Can anybody guess who won it that year?


LES HORVATH​

1944...OHIO STATE
HB...SENIOR


FELIX “DOC” BLANCHARD​

1945...ARMY
FB...JUNIOR

GLENN DAVIS​

1946...ARMY
RB...SENIOR
 
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RYAN DAY SAYS OHIO STATE WILL CONSIDER ADDING OFFENSIVE LINE HELP IN SPRING TRANSFER WINDOW​

The right side of Ohio State’s offensive line remains in open competition entering the Buckeyes’ final spring practice Friday and ensuing spring game on Saturday.

Entering the team’s March and April training sessions, there seemed to be confidence from Ryan Day that Ohio State could find what it needed up front by evaluating what it had in-house. Now, he’s not ruling out a venture into the transfer portal to shore up the Buckeyes’ offensive line.
“I think we have to look at everything,” Day said Wednesday. “I’m not gonna sit here and say one way or the other. I’d like to watch the film today, we did a couple of (things), moved some guys around to see how that went. Then see how Saturday goes and then go from there. But I can’t sit here and tell you that I know that right side is solidified right now, so I think we’ve gotta keep looking at all options.”

The head coach isn’t demanding definitive answers just yet. He reiterated on Wednesday that spring is about player development first and foremost, then the chemistry elements of figuring out one cohesive offensive line can be settled later.

But – specifically at right guard – he’s not confident that the development is where it needs to be as of the final week of spring practice.

“We need to continue to see that, but we are seeing that across the board,” Day said. “The biggest thing is that right side, our right guard position and that battle as things have gone on – we’ve moved Seth (McLaughlin) and Carson (Hinzman) both there, we’ve used Luke (Montgomery), we’ve tried Tegra (Tshabola) inside, so we’ve used a bunch of different combinations. I think, by the end of this week, we need to at least identify where we’re going and where it projects at, even if (the competition) continues into the preseason, which it may.”

Montgomery has been the man taking first-team reps at right guard during practices open to the media, a development that made sense given his top-100 recruiting pedigree and usage in a handful of spots as a sixth offensive lineman in 2023.

He is still just a sophomore at a position that is among the most developmental in all of football, though, and it’s clear from Day’s comments that he hasn’t grabbed hold of the job just yet.

Day and offensive line coach Justin Frye have continued experimenting throughout spring. That includes some work with last year’s starting right tackle, Josh Fryar, inside at guard. A move to the interior seemed worth looking into given Fryar’s struggles blocking speed off the edge last year and his overall strength and punch in the run game.

At this stage, however, Ohio State is still looking at Fryar primarily as a tackle.

“Josh has played some right guard for us this spring to see what that would look like. As Tegra moved out there (to tackle), we’ve tried some different combinations,” Day said. “I think Josh could play both positions, but we do feel confident with him right now playing at tackle.”

“I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. I’M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.”– RYAN DAY ON IF OHIO STATE COULD ADD ANOTHER OFFENSIVE LINEMAN THROUGH THE PORTAL
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Hasn't been done in 10 years and you think this is the group to pull it off? Interesting thought.

Off-season optimism in full affect

The '22 offense was the last real opportunity to get 50+ per game, but injuries shut that down immediately. Personally don't think it'll happen this year, but does it really seem that absurd? Even with all the short-comings last season, OSU was one missed block away from possibly tying up the game against the cheating fucks at Michigan. When it was still all on the line, they outperformed every other team that played against the top defense in the country last year.

This coming season, every position group outside of WR & TE is improving, and TE trades receiving for blocking ability. Even at WR I think the unit has a higher ceiling as it replaces a good blocker and an admirable gadget player with one of the most talented freshman in recent memory and Inniss, who flashed with limited opportunities. They return the most important members of the OL, added a better center, and still have time to add more through the portal. The Cotton bowl was a total disaster, but Matt Jones isn't coming back, and Vimahi is only playing if there are numerous injuries. Howard adds another dimension to the offense and seems to be a direct upgrade in the short and intermediate passing game.

Even if that's all that had changed, I'd feel a lot better. But you also replaced a QB coach in name only with one of the top offensive minds in the country, and most likely upgraded at the RB coaching position.

There are still holes, as we're all skeptical of the OL and QB play until seeing more, but the the coaching staff took a big step forward and will create better game plans and adapt quicker to what the defense is doing in-game. Might not be worth 20 points, but definitely 10+.
 
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The Full List of Teams that Have Scored 50+ in the last 30 years

1995 Nebraska
2005 Texas
2008 Oklahoma
2012 Louisiana Tech
2013 Florida State
2013 Baylor

That's the whole list. Not one of those teams played in the Big Ten or the SEC (leagues with any reputation for defense).

It is a rare feat; rare to the point that one could argue it hasn't been done in the B1G in modern football history. While I would not be surprised if the 2024 silver bullets were historically good, the 2024 offense has a few too many WHAT IFs standing between them and "historic", however you define that word.
 
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