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There's only one starting quarterback in the B1G that has a set of receivers that will pose a challenge to BIA.
You might not know who he is, but you know where he practices (hint: BIA practices there too)
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There's only one starting quarterback in the B1G that has a set of receivers that will pose a challenge to BIA.
You might not know who he is, but you know where he practices (hint: BIA practices there too)
ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
OHIO STATE DEFENSE WILL WEAPONIZE KNOWLEDGE IN THIRD YEAR UNDER JIM KNOWLES
Knowledge is power, and three years of studying anything brings plenty of knowledge.
Nine of the 11 projected starters in Ohio State’s 2024 defense are entering their third year playing for defensive coordinator Jim Knowles. Davison Igbinosun is in his second year at Ohio State after starting in 2023 and safety Caleb Downs, the only projected starter with no background in Knowles’ defense, is fresh off a freshman season posting triple-digit tackles at Alabama.
There’s no doubt that there are gobs of talent and experience in the Buckeyes’ ball-stopping unit, with the potential to have all 11 players be multi-year Power Five starters if Sonny Styles wins the Will linebacker job. Add on top of that a concrete familiarity with their plan of attack and what the pieces around them are doing, and chemistry and knowledge become additional weapons for the unit.
“I don’t want to put too much out there but we’re gonna be having a lot of different looks this year, a lot of different positions, guys everywhere,” cornerback Denzel Burke said in March. “We’re gonna dictate what the offense can do this year. That’s our goal and I feel very comfortable with the guys I’m on the field with. You can take away a lot of things knowing that you’ve got help inside or you’ve got help over top, and just knowing those guys are always going to be in their spot makes the game a lot faster.”
“WE’RE GONNA DICTATE WHAT THE OFFENSE CAN DO THIS YEAR. THAT’S OUR GOAL AND I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE GUYS I’M ON THE FIELD WITH.”– DENZEL BURKE ON OHIO STATE'S DEFENSE
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
At this point in time check out 11W's 3 deep on defense:
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At this point in time check out 11W's 3 deep on defense:
I couldn't find the turd with a halo emoji so I'll just say it, Holy Crap!
I honestly believe that we will have the best pass Defense in the country for the next 5 years if Knowles finds a way to simplify his verbiage so that the new guys can get close to Plug N Play because the talent level at DB and WR are the best, maybe in history, during this run of players. It all comes down to finding a pass rush without bringing the house. If that happens we're looking at a dynasty type of run and I'm totally here for it.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Just sayin': I'd like to see a lot of shutouts by the defense this season; but I realize it is probably more important to play the "backups" when the game is "out of reach".
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Some posts by @ORD_Buckeye and others inspired me to crank up the DSA spreadsheets to see if they could offer insight into just how much the CUNTS' performance dropped off after the cheating scandal broke. What I found was that:
* Surprise! They bloody well did drop off a cliff.
* They were still cheating, just not as well.
* They cheated selectively after the scandal broke (against Pedsters, Bammer, and especially the Buckeyes).
For more details, see the CUNTS' thread.
Doing that little bit of DSA made me curious about the Buckeyes and the very special collection of talent they have assembled for the 2024 season, especially on defense. Many have been saying that this defense will be better than the Cheaters were last year.
The questions DSA can help to answer are: What kind of foundation were they building on? How good were the Silver Bullets last year?
The findings can be summarized in two headlines.
The above is zoomed in on the top of the graph to magnify the slim difference; but as you can see, the Silver bullets held their opponents to 38.2% of points scored vs others while the CUNTS' number was 38.3%. If you saw the post in the CUNTS' thread, you know that they compiled their numbers with next-level, generationally good numbers before they were outed and good numbers afterwards. The resulting total still came in just under what the Buckeyes accomplished for the season.
This brings me to the second headline...
The Buckeyes' DSD against Everyone Who Isn't a Cunt was 0.351, which is significantly better than the CUNTS were last year and is a number that would lead the nation in most years (huh... even the Total they posted (0.382) would lead the nation in most years). The Cheaters however scored 82.7% as much as the Buckeyes usually gave up, meaning that; either the Buckeyes performed only half as well as usual against the CUNTS, OR the CUNTS performed twice as well as usual against the Buckeyes, OR the CUNTS were still cheating, but only in certain games (probably with the laminates in the press box instead of on the sidelines, thus creating latency in the communication of signals and limiting the effectiveness of the cheating).
Think what you will about the cheating... The main point here is that the Buckeyes were ALREADY better than the Cheaters Up North Towards Saginaw last year. Then everyone came back... then they added Caleb Downs... then they had great results in the weight room (Tyleik et al are reportedly in the best shape of their lives)...
Has the season started yet?
* Surprise! They bloody well did drop off a cliff.
* They were still cheating, just not as well.
* They cheated selectively after the scandal broke (against Pedsters, Bammer, and especially the Buckeyes).
For more details, see the CUNTS' thread.
Doing that little bit of DSA made me curious about the Buckeyes and the very special collection of talent they have assembled for the 2024 season, especially on defense. Many have been saying that this defense will be better than the Cheaters were last year.
The questions DSA can help to answer are: What kind of foundation were they building on? How good were the Silver Bullets last year?
The findings can be summarized in two headlines.
The Buckeyes were better than the CUNTS last year
The above is zoomed in on the top of the graph to magnify the slim difference; but as you can see, the Silver bullets held their opponents to 38.2% of points scored vs others while the CUNTS' number was 38.3%. If you saw the post in the CUNTS' thread, you know that they compiled their numbers with next-level, generationally good numbers before they were outed and good numbers afterwards. The resulting total still came in just under what the Buckeyes accomplished for the season.
This brings me to the second headline...
The Cheaters' Cheating Affected the Bullets' Average - Buckeyes Still Better (on the season)
The Buckeyes' DSD against Everyone Who Isn't a Cunt was 0.351, which is significantly better than the CUNTS were last year and is a number that would lead the nation in most years (huh... even the Total they posted (0.382) would lead the nation in most years). The Cheaters however scored 82.7% as much as the Buckeyes usually gave up, meaning that; either the Buckeyes performed only half as well as usual against the CUNTS, OR the CUNTS performed twice as well as usual against the Buckeyes, OR the CUNTS were still cheating, but only in certain games (probably with the laminates in the press box instead of on the sidelines, thus creating latency in the communication of signals and limiting the effectiveness of the cheating).
Think what you will about the cheating... The main point here is that the Buckeyes were ALREADY better than the Cheaters Up North Towards Saginaw last year. Then everyone came back... then they added Caleb Downs... then they had great results in the weight room (Tyleik et al are reportedly in the best shape of their lives)...
Has the season started yet?
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I am an engineer. I am a licensed professional engineer. So I like to believe that I'm better with numbers and math than most people are. And I'm no Billy Shakespeare - numbers are my language. And, no, I'm not going to pretend I'm at DBB's level of numbers-seeing, but it's still my strong point. And don't get me wrong, I love reading your analysis of these numbers. I get that they're a lot of work and I thank you for doing that for the readers of this site.
But I don't need no fancy numbers to tell me that they were still cheating. If a team cheats for 2-1/2 years, and then gets caught, but they try to insist on their innocence, they aren't going to stop cheating, then lose 3 of their last 6 games. They'll just find new ways to hide it.
Your numbers paint a beautiful picture, but they didn't convince me of anything I didn't already know.
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The main point of the above post is that the 2023 Buckeyes were better than you think, and that the foundation that they comprise for the 2024 Buckeyes is unique. Very few teams have ever had a DSD that good. None has ever had a DSD that good and then had most of their talent eschew the draft for another year of NCAA football. (and then they added Caleb Downs)
To better illustrate that point, I decided to run the DSD numbers for the teams that were Top 5 in raw Scoring Defense last year. The main takeaway here is, that apart from the CUNTS' questionable numbers which were almost as good, the Buckeyes were far and away the best Differential Scoring Defense last year.
To better illustrate that point, I decided to run the DSD numbers for the teams that were Top 5 in raw Scoring Defense last year. The main takeaway here is, that apart from the CUNTS' questionable numbers which were almost as good, the Buckeyes were far and away the best Differential Scoring Defense last year.
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I think that makes the #1 DL and now DB for OSU...
Don't mean a thing if they don't beat the team in piss and blue in November though
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I think a lot of people missed the significance of post #143 in this thread (<— EDIT: based on comments from people I know IRL), so I'm going to show it in a different context... a historical context.
* = vs. non-cheaters
Look at how the Buckeyes of 2023 stack up to some Georgia defenses, one of which people called a "generational" defense. Last year, while still not at their peak, roster-wise, the Buckeyes were better than those great Georgia defenses (even when you include the game against the cheaters, but I have elided that game because I think everyone should, including the NCAA).
To me... what the Silver Bullets will be chasing this year is that all-timer of a defense that Alabama had in 2011. If any roster has the potential to match that defense, it's this one. But even last year it was the best defense the college football world has seen since then.
EDIT: I added the 2010 Alabama defense for comparison.
The 2010 Alabama defense had a DSD of 0.461.
Ten of the starters on that defense returned and they posted an all-timer of a DSD (0.256) in 2011.
The 2023 Ohio State Buckeyes had a DSD of 0.351; significantly better than 2010 Alabama.
While 2011 Alabama had more returning starters; it is arguable that the Buckeyes have, all told, even better reason to expect improvement over the previous year. If they improve only HALF as much, they will take over as the best defense of all time according to DSD.
* = vs. non-cheaters
Look at how the Buckeyes of 2023 stack up to some Georgia defenses, one of which people called a "generational" defense. Last year, while still not at their peak, roster-wise, the Buckeyes were better than those great Georgia defenses (even when you include the game against the cheaters, but I have elided that game because I think everyone should, including the NCAA).
To me... what the Silver Bullets will be chasing this year is that all-timer of a defense that Alabama had in 2011. If any roster has the potential to match that defense, it's this one. But even last year it was the best defense the college football world has seen since then.
EDIT: I added the 2010 Alabama defense for comparison.
The 2010 Alabama defense had a DSD of 0.461.
Ten of the starters on that defense returned and they posted an all-timer of a DSD (0.256) in 2011.
The 2023 Ohio State Buckeyes had a DSD of 0.351; significantly better than 2010 Alabama.
While 2011 Alabama had more returning starters; it is arguable that the Buckeyes have, all told, even better reason to expect improvement over the previous year. If they improve only HALF as much, they will take over as the best defense of all time according to DSD.
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Even though the EA ratings are so subjective, absolutely right here with who we have returning. Most of all, I'm just so excited for this game to be back and we can all debate the rankings.
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It is well established that there is good reason to believe that this season's edition of the Silver Bullets will be one of the best ever.
But it's the off-season so here is some more evidence of the foundation that the defense is building on.
Last year it felt like the defense was better before the other team got into the red zone, and the stats seemed to bear that out. The Buckeyes are tops in differential scoring defense, tops in differential pass defense, but outside the top 10 in red zone defense.
But when I looked at those numbers I realized something: I have never done Differential Red Zone Defense (DRZD). So I whipped up a spreadsheet to figure those numbers out, and the Buckeyes were Top 3 in Differential Red Zone Defense (meaning, they held teams farther below their usual touchdown production in the red zone than all but 2 other teams in FBS). In looking at THOSE numbers, it seemed that the Buckeyes were uncommonly good at keeping teams out of the red zone entirely, so I invented an entirely new stat.
Differential Red Zone Protection (DRZP). This is the ratio of the number of times per game your opponents penetrate the red zone to the number of times per game they penetrate the red zone against everyone else. The Buckeyes were top 2 in this metric. Here are the numbers for those who care...
The main point here is that the Buckeyes were already the best non-cheaters at keeping teams out of the red zone in 2023, and they were much better in the red zone than the raw stats would tell you. The foundation for the 2024 Silver Bullets is even better than we thought, as hard as that is to believe.
And I think it would be interesting to pick Chip Kelly's brain about how UCLA was so good in the red zone.
Now I'm off to the Cheaters' thread because how they compiled their differential red zone numbers is... interesting
But it's the off-season so here is some more evidence of the foundation that the defense is building on.
Last year it felt like the defense was better before the other team got into the red zone, and the stats seemed to bear that out. The Buckeyes are tops in differential scoring defense, tops in differential pass defense, but outside the top 10 in red zone defense.
But when I looked at those numbers I realized something: I have never done Differential Red Zone Defense (DRZD). So I whipped up a spreadsheet to figure those numbers out, and the Buckeyes were Top 3 in Differential Red Zone Defense (meaning, they held teams farther below their usual touchdown production in the red zone than all but 2 other teams in FBS). In looking at THOSE numbers, it seemed that the Buckeyes were uncommonly good at keeping teams out of the red zone entirely, so I invented an entirely new stat.
Differential Red Zone Protection (DRZP). This is the ratio of the number of times per game your opponents penetrate the red zone to the number of times per game they penetrate the red zone against everyone else. The Buckeyes were top 2 in this metric. Here are the numbers for those who care...
The main point here is that the Buckeyes were already the best non-cheaters at keeping teams out of the red zone in 2023, and they were much better in the red zone than the raw stats would tell you. The foundation for the 2024 Silver Bullets is even better than we thought, as hard as that is to believe.
And I think it would be interesting to pick Chip Kelly's brain about how UCLA was so good in the red zone.
Now I'm off to the Cheaters' thread because how they compiled their differential red zone numbers is... interesting
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