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DZ83CK
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Yeah, recruiting has been kind of boom or bust (with too many busts) ever since the last few years of Thad's era. It's like we don't have any capacity for scouting or evaluating prospects and we've ended up with a lot of 4-star prospects that haven't developed much because we didn't really have a vision for developmental potential. We can't expect to outbid the blue blood programs like Kansas, Duke, etc., so what OSU badly needs to improve in is scouting. I wish we could afford to have someone have a full-time job just scouting talent for this program, as that's what I believe we need to get ahead.
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Would have liked Diebs to lead the Buckeyes to an undisputed #1 in the B10, certainly. But he has cobbled together a group of folk who have played very well at times, but others not so much. Don't get to see practices, only games, so don't know what all those assistant coaches on the bench do. Don't see many going up to 'their' players in a TO, and talking to them. And don't see where/how they recruit. PS, I'm steeped in St John's growing up (during Lucas/Havlicek years), so gotta agree with you about Schott. But who among us would like to see tOSU become a basketball school (like Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, etc), at the expense of the football Buckeyes? As an economist, the bucks ($) from football are significantly more than the basketball bucks. Go Bucks, on the field, the court, the pitch, the diamond, the mats etc.
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Tennessee, Bama, Auburn…….all just as much football as Ohio State…..yet they are damn good at basketball
Matta was about to turn Ohio State into a real basketball blue blood…..but the emergence of Meyer combined with Thad’s health reversed that quickly.
Once the excitement of youth and newness wore off this year, the blah truth emerged. This team is nothing but a streaky 3-pt shooting team which isn’t good in transition or in half court sets. Man alive do I miss Thad Matta…..and I’ll be the first to admit that when he left I thought it was time. But Matta’s worst days are better than Diebler’s or Holtmann’s best days. That’s the cold, hard truth.
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Yea the "we are a football school" excuse is a bad one. Ohio State is at least a top 25 basketball program all time, we aren't Duke or Kentucky by any means but we aren't some lower level power conference team like some want to make it out to be. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to attract good coaching talent here, we shouldn't be doing MAC level crap which in reality is what the Diebler hire was. It was a complete lazy "whatever good enough" hire by the Athletic Department.
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Anyone can of course correct me, but believe I'm seeing the 'super' BB hires around the nation, not doing as well as can be expected. Maybe it's a start-up thing, dunno, but did (and still believe) that Diebs will get this team doing better. Also believe that the Ohio 4-5*'s are/were watching to see if the last season run (with Diebs at the helm) was an aberration, or an indication of things to come. Clearly, there's been an improvement, but certainly not a rocketship in the standings. Can see why several of the 5*s that came over weren't kept, and some of our 'projects' haven't lit it up as expected. Tossing away a big lead, and losing, or going down to the wire has been a head-shaker (at least for me), but thinking tOSU does get into the Dance, and wins one, possibly two games. Let's start with Indiana today! Go Bucks!
I feel like a lot of the people on Diebs' ass right now would be positive about him if not for the "WTF" moments the team has at bad times. It's hard to know how much he has to coach or re- coach bad habits out of players that have done whatever they've wanted to do in high school and AAU circuits their whole lives before Cbus.
Is also hard to know if what he's teaching is the problem. I guess this season has been such a roller coaster that we just stare at the record and focus on the dips that have plagued us this season. If one miracle 3pt shot from Pittsburgh rims out who knows what we'd be saying right now.
Is also hard to know if what he's teaching is the problem. I guess this season has been such a roller coaster that we just stare at the record and focus on the dips that have plagued us this season. If one miracle 3pt shot from Pittsburgh rims out who knows what we'd be saying right now.
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Nope its always coaching. Didn't ya know?! It's what random people on the internet said so its gotta be true!!!
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If Bradshaw worked as hard as Mahaffey I swear he'd be All Conference. If Mahaffey had 3 or 4 more inches on him he might be an All American. No question he busts his ass for every second he's on the court.
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DaiMonMoore
Heisman
It's because he has zero track record of success and didn't deserve the job he got.
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I don't get how people can give him a pass for all these late game meltdowns, at some point it has to go back to the coach
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Can't make an argument to anything above. Our guys get a lead, lose a lead, and come apart trying to make up the lead. Pushing too hard is one answer, but letting it flow naturally already lost the lead, so that's not the answer. Thornton was guarded closer than one's jock strap, and although there were some 3's made, too little and too late. Indy had some plays that resulted in uncontested lay-ups, which is inexcusable during crunch time. If I had those answers, I'd be making $4-5 million a year. In watching the line-up comparison, every Indiana player was a good 3" taller than tOSU guys, with Thornton down 4". Watching Bradshaw against Indiana's behemoth was frightening. Thought Diebs would try some of the other, more robust centers, but sacrificed Stewart instead. Not questioning the fight in the Buckeyes, saw plenty of that, but some unfortunate TO's, like Mobley's dribble off his foot, and his swinging his arm over to get position on #32, and called for a flagrant 1. That was the swing that mired us in a hole that couldn't climb out of. Indiana's seniors knew when/how to take a flop, and were convincing enough it got called.
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I was taking a wait and see approach since there were moments that looked promising, but I'm close to being done "seeing" for this reason. Feels like a Holtmann hangover that is lasting too long in terms of late meltdowns and piss-poor conference play. We should be playing much better with the roster we have and we are not, just saying what I believe most are thinking.
Season is not quite over and maybe Diebler gets one more year, but it should be on the hottest of hot seats imaginable if that happens. Right now it looks like the NIT again and I won't bother watching that. I don't see much fallout in moving on that would be worse than what we have now. Players may transfer, Johnson may decommit (though he seems committed to OSU, not specifically Diebler), etc...but as much as I hate to burn everything down and rebuild, it will need to be a serious consideration for Bjork.
Side note - this is easily the least excited I have been for March Madness. Really hoping Dayton gets in or otherwise I am not really going to follow it (presuming OSU is out, which seems very likely at this point).
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