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2023 tOSU Special Teams

I looked up how our return units perform against the other teams today b/c I was curious and bored. We are averaging 22.2 yards per kick return and an almost unbelievable 4 yards a punt return. Our kick coverage is averaging 16.1 yards a return and punt coverage is averaging 11.1 yards a return. Overall the coverage is better than I thought but it's probably not ideal to give up a first down + on average on punt coverage.
Mirco is not doing a good job overall. So many times we should have an opponent pinned inside the 10 on a punt and the ball goes no further than the 15-20 yardline. Coverage could be better and really I don't care about returns since they are basically useless anymore. But we have to be more confident in our punter to pin opponents back when we are sitting at the 40-50 yardline.

Fielding is 29/30 on extra points and 9/10 on field goals...but his long is 41 yards so we really don't know what we have there tbh.

Coverage is either lights out or bad, need consistency there. No doubt we have the players to achieve that, but we need to clamp down a little more on the coverage. I don't think we are in dire straights by any means on special teams, but definitely room for improvement in the second half of the season.
 
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Yeah, I wasn't clear on it but the more I thought about it, gross minus gross should give a rough idea of net. No?

It sure as shit seems like we give up a lot of hidden yards there when you watch it live. I can't for the life of me figure out why a program with 4 and 5 star athletes waiting for their turn to play, can't find guys who can catch a punt and run like hell with it.

I guess? Except if OSU is kicking off on 2 of those possessions when their opponent is punting, the opponent should end up with ~80 more yards punting per game simply from having two extra kicks. So I just don't see anything to be read into that particular stat.

That being said, I don't need any stats to back up the fact that both sides of the punting equation for OSU are pretty darn bad.
 
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Yeah, I wasn't clear on it but the more I thought about it, gross minus gross should give a rough idea of net. No?

It sure as shit seems like we give up a lot of hidden yards there when you watch it live. I can't for the life of me figure out why a program with 4 and 5 star athletes waiting for their turn to play, can't find guys who can catch a punt and run like hell with it.
Put Ted Ginn back there and tell him to stand where our guys do and I doubt things get any better. Running backwards 5-10 yards to catch the punt, then trying to reverse that momentum doesn't seem like the ideal way to field a punt......but we're one of the few teams with a dedicated Special Teams coach, so that must be the proper way to do it, right?
 
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SPECIAL TEAMS​

Punting: 43 yards per game - 44th nationally, 5th in the Big Ten (Last week: 43 yards per game - tied for 49th nationally, 7th in the Big Ten)

Field goals: 84.6 percent - tied for 23rd nationally, 2nd in the Big Ten (Last week: 90.9 percent - tied for 12th nationally, 2nd in the Big Ten)

Extra points: 97.7 percent - 78th nationally, 9th in the Big Ten (Last week: 97.4 - 85th nationally, 10th in the Big Ten)

Kickoff return: 21.7 yards per return - 69th nationally, 10th in the Big Ten (Last week: 19.73 yards per return - 71st nationally, 10th in the Big Ten)

Punt return: 7.3 yards per return - 113th nationally, 11th in the Big Ten (Last week: 4.13 yards per return - 109th nationally, 11th in the Big Ten)
 
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SPECIAL TEAMS​

Punting: 43 yards per game - 44th nationally, 5th in the Big Ten (Last week: 43 yards per game - tied for 49th nationally, 7th in the Big Ten)

Field goals: 84.6 percent - tied for 23rd nationally, 2nd in the Big Ten (Last week: 90.9 percent - tied for 12th nationally, 2nd in the Big Ten)

Extra points: 97.7 percent - 78th nationally, 9th in the Big Ten (Last week: 97.4 - 85th nationally, 10th in the Big Ten)

Kickoff return: 21.7 yards per return - 69th nationally, 10th in the Big Ten (Last week: 19.73 yards per return - 71st nationally, 10th in the Big Ten)

Punt return: 7.3 yards per return - 113th nationally, 11th in the Big Ten (Last week: 4.13 yards per return - 109th nationally, 11th in the Big Ten)


:pissed2:
 
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OPENER | LORD OF NEGLIGENCE​

punt safe formation

On 4th & 1, Ohio State lined up in a Punt Safe formation designed to guard against 4th & long trickery. MSU easily converted.
I will regret publishing this, but I cannot keep it to myself: Here's how you beat Ohio State in 2023.

Wait. You know what, let's tuck the winning blueprint into a classic Situational text wall so Connor Stalions - hey Connor, what's up - has to work a little harder to find it (rulebook clarification: pulling intel from blog posts about bourbon is not an NCAA violation or even poor sportsmanship). So, Nick Siciliano, remember him?

He was affectionately referred to as Jim Tressel's barista both prior to and especially after Tatgate went down. Siciliano was legitimately the Buckeyes' video coordinator, serving as shadow QB coach while QB whisperer Joe Daniels was receiving cancer treatments.

Tressel made this humanitarian arrangement so that Daniels' position would still be available for him when he was well enough to return to coaching, which sadly he did not. Siciliano had no relevant experience coaching or coaching quarterbacks. That's not whom you place in charge of what Tressel called the most important job in Ohio.

Siciliano's lacking qualifications is not a convenient 20/20 hindsight take, but it was a ruse from the outset. Tressel coached the most important position in Ohio during Daniels' medical leave. He looked after Terrelle Pryor himself and would do the same for Braxton Miller. Siciliano was the "QB coach" according to the media guide only.

But then suddenly, Tressel was no longer with the university. Siciliano through no fault of his own found himself exposed, in charge of a QB room serving his new supervisor Luke Fickell, a former nose tackle and defense/special teams (sigh) expert.

Anyway, Siciliano is out of the coaching profession. How it ended wasn't his fault.

25-yard punt return

The typical Ohio State special teams play under Fleming: An accumulation of mistakes which squander points, momentum or field position.
I think about Siciliano whenever Ohio State's special teams are on the field, wishing there was some comforting explanation for why this is happening. There is none, and I have Parker Fleming fatigue - both from having written about his performance already and from still being subjected to it every Saturday.

His origin story diverts from Siciliano's. Fleming isn't a cover for Day to coach his favorite unit.

Fleming was a grad assistant on Urban Meyer's first two Ohio State teams. After the porous 2013 Buckeye defense cost the Buckeyes the B1G championship and a shot at the BCS title, Meyer "promoted" defensive coordinator Everitt Withers off to James Madison. Fleming went with him to advance his experience.

Two years later, Fleming followed Withers again to Texas State, where he was fired in 2018 following three seasons and just seven wins. He has not had another head coaching position since, bouncing from program to program taking classic journeyman assistant roles.

As for Fleming, once Withers ran out of jobs for him, he returned to Ohio State in 2018, Meyer's final season. He left a grad student and returned as a quality control assistant.

And he's been looking after the Buckeyes' special teams ever since, culpable in miscommunication after miscommunication after miscommunication. What began as Quality Control is now a full-blown coordinatorship, which comes with off-campus recruiting obligations.

Here's Ohio State currently attempting what Tressel called the most important play in football:


Make sure you watch until the camera finds Day's reaction shot from the sideline. Note the player running onto the field late to join what's already an illegal formation. This unit has been incoherent since Fleming was put in charge of it.

Ohio State's special teams are an exercise in exhausting amateur hour nonsense too stupid to be real and yet happening e v e r y s i n g l e w e e k. The offense is cresting toward its final form, the defense continues to be one of if not the nation's nastiest - and special teams consistently fail to do the stuff they teach on Day One of Special Teams School.

And a little, annoying, repetitive reminder - most programs don't even have a dedicated special teams coordinator. The Buckeyes are paying an FTE for a function which has performed better than this for the better part of 125 years without dedicated headcount. We're witnessing history. HR is just kind of watching it happen.

Hopefully Mr. Stalions got as bored reading this as I got writing it and tapped out a few paragraphs above. Okay, shhhhh here's how you beat Ohio State this season:

  • Line up in punting formation on 1st down
  • Run any non-punt play for positive yardage
  • Just keep doing this until points are achieved
  • Line up for a 2-point conversion
  • (this will draw a timeout from the Buckeyes, as they have not lined up properly or on time for a 2-point conversion literally once since Fleming took over the unit)
  • Continue to operate the offense in punting formation
  • Ohio State's defense will end the game with an NCAA record zero snaps played
  • Score one more point than Ohio State's offense and print your shirts
The longer a team can keep Ohio State's special teams on the field, the better shot it has against the Buckeyes. No one has scored more than 17 on the OSU defense this season, so the path of least resistance is the way. Keep the third unit active. Let's make this our little secret.

 
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OPENER | LORD OF NEGLIGENCE​

punt safe formation

On 4th & 1, Ohio State lined up in a Punt Safe formation designed to guard against 4th & long trickery. MSU easily converted.
I will regret publishing this, but I cannot keep it to myself: Here's how you beat Ohio State in 2023.

Wait. You know what, let's tuck the winning blueprint into a classic Situational text wall so Connor Stalions - hey Connor, what's up - has to work a little harder to find it (rulebook clarification: pulling intel from blog posts about bourbon is not an NCAA violation or even poor sportsmanship). So, Nick Siciliano, remember him?

He was affectionately referred to as Jim Tressel's barista both prior to and especially after Tatgate went down. Siciliano was legitimately the Buckeyes' video coordinator, serving as shadow QB coach while QB whisperer Joe Daniels was receiving cancer treatments.

Tressel made this humanitarian arrangement so that Daniels' position would still be available for him when he was well enough to return to coaching, which sadly he did not. Siciliano had no relevant experience coaching or coaching quarterbacks. That's not whom you place in charge of what Tressel called the most important job in Ohio.

Siciliano's lacking qualifications is not a convenient 20/20 hindsight take, but it was a ruse from the outset. Tressel coached the most important position in Ohio during Daniels' medical leave. He looked after Terrelle Pryor himself and would do the same for Braxton Miller. Siciliano was the "QB coach" according to the media guide only.

But then suddenly, Tressel was no longer with the university. Siciliano through no fault of his own found himself exposed, in charge of a QB room serving his new supervisor Luke Fickell, a former nose tackle and defense/special teams (sigh) expert.

Anyway, Siciliano is out of the coaching profession. How it ended wasn't his fault.

25-yard punt return

The typical Ohio State special teams play under Fleming: An accumulation of mistakes which squander points, momentum or field position.
I think about Siciliano whenever Ohio State's special teams are on the field, wishing there was some comforting explanation for why this is happening. There is none, and I have Parker Fleming fatigue - both from having written about his performance already and from still being subjected to it every Saturday.

His origin story diverts from Siciliano's. Fleming isn't a cover for Day to coach his favorite unit.

Fleming was a grad assistant on Urban Meyer's first two Ohio State teams. After the porous 2013 Buckeye defense cost the Buckeyes the B1G championship and a shot at the BCS title, Meyer "promoted" defensive coordinator Everitt Withers off to James Madison. Fleming went with him to advance his experience.

Two years later, Fleming followed Withers again to Texas State, where he was fired in 2018 following three seasons and just seven wins. He has not had another head coaching position since, bouncing from program to program taking classic journeyman assistant roles.

As for Fleming, once Withers ran out of jobs for him, he returned to Ohio State in 2018, Meyer's final season. He left a grad student and returned as a quality control assistant.

And he's been looking after the Buckeyes' special teams ever since, culpable in miscommunication after miscommunication after miscommunication. What began as Quality Control is now a full-blown coordinatorship, which comes with off-campus recruiting obligations.

Here's Ohio State currently attempting what Tressel called the most important play in football:


Make sure you watch until the camera finds Day's reaction shot from the sideline. Note the player running onto the field late to join what's already an illegal formation. This unit has been incoherent since Fleming was put in charge of it.

Ohio State's special teams are an exercise in exhausting amateur hour nonsense too stupid to be real and yet happening e v e r y s i n g l e w e e k. The offense is cresting toward its final form, the defense continues to be one of if not the nation's nastiest - and special teams consistently fail to do the stuff they teach on Day One of Special Teams School.

And a little, annoying, repetitive reminder - most programs don't even have a dedicated special teams coordinator. The Buckeyes are paying an FTE for a function which has performed better than this for the better part of 125 years without dedicated headcount. We're witnessing history. HR is just kind of watching it happen.

Hopefully Mr. Stalions got as bored reading this as I got writing it and tapped out a few paragraphs above. Okay, shhhhh here's how you beat Ohio State this season:

  • Line up in punting formation on 1st down
  • Run any non-punt play for positive yardage
  • Just keep doing this until points are achieved
  • Line up for a 2-point conversion
  • (this will draw a timeout from the Buckeyes, as they have not lined up properly or on time for a 2-point conversion literally once since Fleming took over the unit)
  • Continue to operate the offense in punting formation
  • Ohio State's defense will end the game with an NCAA record zero snaps played
  • Score one more point than Ohio State's offense and print your shirts
The longer a team can keep Ohio State's special teams on the field, the better shot it has against the Buckeyes. No one has scored more than 17 on the OSU defense this season, so the path of least resistance is the way. Keep the third unit active. Let's make this our little secret.

I still don't understand why people are blaming the special teams for something the defense - the actual defense - failed to do, but that's just me.
 
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I still don't understand why people are blaming the special teams for something the defense - the actual defense - failed to do, but that's just me.

Shouldn't we be in some kind of goal line set for that? Why are the LBs so far back?
The 2nd safety is never seen (or im blind, a distinct possibility).
Who do i think is more likely to blame for this? Knowles or Fleming? I think Knowles knows what 4th and 1 D should look like.
 
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Shouldn't we be in some kind of goal line set for that? Why are the LBs so far back?
The 2nd safety is never seen (or im blind, a distinct possibility).
Who do i think is more likely to blame for this? Knowles or Fleming? I think Knowles knows what 4th and 1 D should look like.

Typically Punt Safe is more about contain and shutting down the pass. I don't disagree that it was an odd formation for a 4th and 1. Edit to add: You won't typically see a goal line set unless the regular offense was out there for MSU and it wasn't. It was most of their special teamers and a regular-ish offensive line.

Fleming still isn't the one calling it in that situation however, not with that personnel grouping and out of a timeout. That was the regular defense with a base call of some type. No blitzing or run blitzes, seemingly man to man on the outside....I don't quite know what they were reading but direct snap seemed to not be it.
 
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I'm not here to add any more to the Special Teams pile. I just want to say I wish they would recruit a kicker that doesn't make you nervous lining up from any distance within 50 yards. Yes, I know that level of talent doesn't just appear everywhere, but I have to imagine with the portal we could try and find someone. I do miss the threat level that was Nugent, who was a generational kicker at OSU.

And maybe a more aggressive punt block mentality hoping to give our returners more of a chance to actually return something instead of just fair catching everything.
 
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Kickoff return: 21.7 yards per return - 69th nationally, 10th in the Big Ten (Last week: 19.73 yards per return - 71st nationally, 10th in the Big Ten)

Punt return: 7.3 yards per return - 113th nationally, 11th in the Big Ten (Last week: 4.13 yards per return - 109th nationally, 11th in the Big Ten)

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Punt return defense was 117 in the nation, and seems to be last in Big Ten.

Kick return defense seems much better as 37 in nation.

Fielding seems to be in top 25% for field goals made. I don’t see anything useful on punting stats, like percentage within 20 yard line.

Again, time to make James L a FT coach.
 
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