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2023 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

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Jake said:
So now we're blaming the refs?
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It was as blatant as OPI gets. Didn't win them the game but it was an awful no call.

Just salt in the wound as the conference bends over for them. Easy to look tough when you can shove a DB a yard back or tackle d ends. At some point OSU has to come out and start pushing the envelope on the field. If the conference won't do anything, force the officials to call 50 penalties.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
There are issues, and if Day doesn't address them his ass should absolutely be on the hot seat next year. That being said, there's no way those tsun teams come out for the second halves of what were close games in 21 and 22 and just shut down CJ Stroud to win by three scores without Stalions and his laminates. Given our defensive struggles, could they have squeaked out a close win? Perhaps, but there's no fucking way they win going away.
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I agree 100%, but whether it's fair or not, Saturday was the chance to validate those claims - at least as much as you possibly can after the fact. And we failed that chance.

They should be punished for their actions but our time to validate our claims about 2021 and 2022 was Saturday and we failed the test. Are the players different? Sure. Is that a fair way to judge it? Probably not. But nobody other than OSU fans gives a shit about any of that now that we've lost again post-Stalions so who cares.

We had a chance to come out and take back what we thought was stolen from us and we pissed it away.
 
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I hope I don't get banned for this, but the primary reason UM had those sustained drives is because they have a very good offense with a superb OL. Thems FAX and there is EVIDENTS. The average experience level of their OL (which correlates to age and depelopment) is 4.6 years. Their average age is 22. That could be the most experienced OL in CFB history.
 
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Oh8ch said:
I hope I don't get banned for this, but the primary reason UM had those sustained drives is because they have a very good offense with a superb OL. Thems FAX and there is EVIDENTS. The average experience level of their OL (which correlates to age and depelopment) is 4.6 years. Their average age is 22. That could be the most experienced OL in CFB history.
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Them constantly getting 5-6 yards on 1st down and then nickel and diming 2nd and 3rd down to just ultimately get the 1st down and kill the clock more was incredibly frustrating. It's exactly what we couldn't let happen.
 
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At one point in the game thread, someone mentioned that TCUN still seemed to know what Ohio State was doing ahead of time. They may not have known the exact play called, but they certainly would be able to guess which play was coming next from observing the environment in which the play was called.

So, just because Stalions and Harbaugh were not on the sideline does not mean that TCUN cheating advantage was not still impactful.

1. Collecting the film data on Ohio State provided a rich database for statistical modeling. The signs and visual film evidence gave certainty about the play being called, the context in which it was called, the way the team lined up and then shifted before putting the ball into play, and the plays called sequentially before and after it.

2. This means that stealing signs provided more than stolen signs. The signs could be used as organizing variables to provide structure for some pretty sophisticated statistical modeling.

3. The key result would be that TCUN coaches and players learn a lot more about the likelihood of a certain play being called given an observed formation, shift, time in the game, down and yard context, etc.

So, you don't need Stalions or Harbaugh. The advantage is baked in.
 
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Steve19 said:
At one point in the game thread, someone mentioned that TCUN still seemed to know what Ohio State was doing ahead of time. They may not have known the exact play called, but they certainly would be able to guess which play was coming next from observing the environment in which the play was called.

So, just because Stalions and Harbaugh were not on the sideline does not mean that TCUN cheating advantage was not still impactful.

1. Collecting the film data on Ohio State provided a rich database for statistical modeling. The signs and visual film evidence gave certainty about the play being called, the context in which it was called, the way the team lined up and then shifted before putting the ball into play, and the plays called sequentially before and after it.

2. This means that stealing signs provided more than stolen signs. The signs could be used as organizing variables to provide structure for some pretty sophisticated statistical modeling.

3. The key result would be that TCUN coaches and players learn a lot more about the likelihood of a certain play being called given an observed formation, shift, time in the game, down and yard context, etc.

So, you don't need Stalions or Harbaugh. The advantage is baked in.
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Plus the play calling was typically predictable.
 
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colobuck79 said:
Plus the play calling was typically predictable.
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Yea at this point it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out our order of play calling. Certain downs and situations you are basically assured to get the same type of play called every time.

One of Day's biggest issues is that he's a man who's very stuck in his ways.
 
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Oh8ch said:
I hope I don't get banned for this, but the primary reason UM had those sustained drives is because they have a very good offense with a superb OL. Thems FAX and there is EVIDENTS. The average experience level of their OL (which correlates to age and depelopment) is 4.6 years. Their average age is 22. That could be the most experienced OL in CFB history.
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The trenches on both sides of the BUCKEYES could use some improvement, and frankly a serious injection of physicality.
 
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Steve19 said:
At one point in the game thread, someone mentioned that TCUN still seemed to know what Ohio State was doing ahead of time. They may not have known the exact play called, but they certainly would be able to guess which play was coming next from observing the environment in which the play was called.

So, just because Stalions and Harbaugh were not on the sideline does not mean that TCUN cheating advantage was not still impactful.

1. Collecting the film data on Ohio State provided a rich database for statistical modeling. The signs and visual film evidence gave certainty about the play being called, the context in which it was called, the way the team lined up and then shifted before putting the ball into play, and the plays called sequentially before and after it.

2. This means that stealing signs provided more than stolen signs. The signs could be used as organizing variables to provide structure for some pretty sophisticated statistical modeling.

3. The key result would be that TCUN coaches and players learn a lot more about the likelihood of a certain play being called given an observed formation, shift, time in the game, down and yard context, etc.

So, you don't need Stalions or Harbaugh. The advantage is baked in.
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This
 
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