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I agree, if they win out and the B1G hasn’t made them forfeit any conference games from earlier this season, I don’t think the CFP would keep them out. Giving them 4 losses from earlier this season is the way to avoid losing the rest of this year’s TV money while preventing TTUN from playing in the postseason. But at 8-4 I’d be willing to let them play in the Cheez-It Bowl.
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The seventh-oldest bowl game in the country, the Cheez-It Citrus Bowl hosts the top Big Ten and SEC teams from outside the CFP series of bowls.
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Captain Buckeye
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Exactly.
Do any of you want the risk of these guys winning out?? There’s a real possibility they do.
Seriously do any of us want Harbaugh and that criminal ass team standing on a podium with confetti in the air about to receive a big ten title or worse?? Only to have it all stripped away later next year?
I fucking don’t.
This is a risk based situation (my line of work btw) and the big ten can’t risk that.
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
Obviously none of us want to see them win - ever. But not letting them play gives their team and fan base the ultimate victim martyr scenario. "they wouldn't let us play because they were too scared we might win!" fuck them. I want them on the field and I want them to get their ass kicked!
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UM Police said the Weiss case is in no way related to the other stuff so it sounds like it may be something more nefarious.
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Captain Buckeye
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Well only one way to avoid it.
martyr? Everyone hates them… let them talk out in their echo chamber.
Too scared though? Yes. Absolutely and we should be.
The vision of this team winning it all scares the fuck out of me. The joy and happiness they would feel.
They wouldn’t care what happens after that. They have that memory and nothing would take it away.
I’m terrified that they’ll find a way to get it done before Harbaugh bails to the NFL and the authorities act on what is corruption.
Imagine if we all knew about Enron before they collapsed. Would we want their executives to give themselves all of those bonuses or would we cut them off while we had the chance???
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Captain Buckeye
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Maybe it’s not sign stealing but they aren’t lying if it’s accessing other teams computers.
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Yeah, their beat writers were saying last night that no coaches were interviewed, they are all out recruiting on the bye week. Other sources were claiming that the NCAA WAS there, so who knows.
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Take it fwiw… (copied from 11W)
UMPD seized Weiss's computer and other electronic devices that were technically UM property as part of their initial investigation into unauthorized email access. Weiss was allegedly hacking player and other student accounts and stealing "personal" images. UMPD is a part of the UM Division of Public Safety & Security - which has a modest criminal investigations unit. Mostly, they deal with parking, drunks, and vandalism. What they do not have is a meaningful cyber unit. Weiss is not cooperating with the investigation - in other words, he wouldn't give up passwords, etc. So, UMPD brought in a third-party with cyber expertise to access Weiss's files. The cyber investigation revealed suspected CSAM. (The word "suspected" is intentional because the legal threshold to definitively ascertain a victim's age when the identity of the victim is unknown is a challenge. If the CSAM are clearly images of a six-year old child, then the CSAM is self-evident. If it is a 14-year old? Well, some 18-year olds appear younger than their actual age. This is relevant in terms of gaining a conviction.)
The digital forensic analysis of the Weiss computer revealed other potential causes for alarm - including this matter which was brought to the attention of the NCAA due to integrity of game concerns. The same digital devices indicate that Weiss had cookies for a fantasy sports/gaming account. Obviously, this is a very big red flag. The same digital forensic analysis revealed a file sharing system (which is common - most of us have a means of sharing files among people in our companies and networks). However, because of the CSAM concern, there was a want to see exactly WHO was accessing exactly WHAT on the devices. The two names who were accessing the files: Stalions and Jay Harbaugh.
This is not to suggest that Stalions and Jay Harbaugh are involved in CSAM - only that they had access to the same files that Weiss accessed. My assumption would be that this access is NOT CSAM-related because Stalions, presumably, would have been terminated at the same time that Weiss was separated from the program. Jim Harbaugh is not remotely liked by most staffers in the athletic department - Jay Harbaugh is even liked less. The general assumption at UM is that Jim will absolutely lie, obfuscate, mitigate, manipulate, tamper, etc. to shield Jay from any consequence.
Also, Harbaugh's promises of "cooperation" are total BS. He has been completely uncooperative with the Weiss investigation. If Harbaugh will not support a CSAM investigation with multiple victims, does anyone reasonably trust him to cooperate on a NCAA rules infraction case (particularly one that involves his son)?
Anyway, the reporting that the signal stealing and Weiss investigations are "unrelated" is technically correct. But the Weiss investigation has contributed to the digital evidence concerning signal stealing. And Weiss is knee-deep with the Harbaugh family. Jim hired Weiss as a GA at Stanford, and then promoted him to the coaching staff. John then hired Weiss to join his staff with the Ravens. Weiss was part of the Ravens posse that John sent to Jim to rescue his program. Weiss is very, very, very close to Harbaugh. The general belief among UM athletic staff is that there is a tacit agreement: Harbaugh doesn't cooperate with the Weiss investigation, and Weiss doesn't rat out the depth and reach of the scheme to steal play calls.
The third-party forensic analysis of Weiss's digital devices is what let this particular cat out of the bag. So, to the UM apologists who are now questioning the recent WaPo report ("Who broke into our computers???): No one did. Your own PD turned the information over for analysis.
According to an admin in Manuel's office - but not involved day-to-day with the football program - the Kiss of Death is (allegedly) clear and obvious appropriation of MASSIVE volumes of practice footage that were conveyed from a cloud server to localized storage on Weiss's computer. For example, allegedly, there are upwards of 50+ hours of OSU practice footage on Weiss's computer. The Citrix activity logs empirically demonstrate that mutiple coaches and staff accessed these same files. I have only heard this from one person at UM. However, this person is a dyed in the wool UM loyalist. One measure of restraint that I think we should contemplate: The most vocal minority at UM is defending/mitigating these behaviors. The silent majority at UM is appalled. Let's put ourselves in the same position: If Ryan Day were guilty of the same misdeeds, I'd agree with his tar and feathering...and immediately shutting down the season. This is an integrity of the game issue. UM has won games (and won games by improbable margins) as a direct product of egregious cheating. Most people who work at UM despise Harbaugh. And, the fact that this spawned from a CSAM investigation is insult upon injury. There is the football program, and then there is UM. Increasingly, these entities are disconnected.
UMPD seized Weiss's computer and other electronic devices that were technically UM property as part of their initial investigation into unauthorized email access. Weiss was allegedly hacking player and other student accounts and stealing "personal" images. UMPD is a part of the UM Division of Public Safety & Security - which has a modest criminal investigations unit. Mostly, they deal with parking, drunks, and vandalism. What they do not have is a meaningful cyber unit. Weiss is not cooperating with the investigation - in other words, he wouldn't give up passwords, etc. So, UMPD brought in a third-party with cyber expertise to access Weiss's files. The cyber investigation revealed suspected CSAM. (The word "suspected" is intentional because the legal threshold to definitively ascertain a victim's age when the identity of the victim is unknown is a challenge. If the CSAM are clearly images of a six-year old child, then the CSAM is self-evident. If it is a 14-year old? Well, some 18-year olds appear younger than their actual age. This is relevant in terms of gaining a conviction.)
The digital forensic analysis of the Weiss computer revealed other potential causes for alarm - including this matter which was brought to the attention of the NCAA due to integrity of game concerns. The same digital devices indicate that Weiss had cookies for a fantasy sports/gaming account. Obviously, this is a very big red flag. The same digital forensic analysis revealed a file sharing system (which is common - most of us have a means of sharing files among people in our companies and networks). However, because of the CSAM concern, there was a want to see exactly WHO was accessing exactly WHAT on the devices. The two names who were accessing the files: Stalions and Jay Harbaugh.
This is not to suggest that Stalions and Jay Harbaugh are involved in CSAM - only that they had access to the same files that Weiss accessed. My assumption would be that this access is NOT CSAM-related because Stalions, presumably, would have been terminated at the same time that Weiss was separated from the program. Jim Harbaugh is not remotely liked by most staffers in the athletic department - Jay Harbaugh is even liked less. The general assumption at UM is that Jim will absolutely lie, obfuscate, mitigate, manipulate, tamper, etc. to shield Jay from any consequence.
Also, Harbaugh's promises of "cooperation" are total BS. He has been completely uncooperative with the Weiss investigation. If Harbaugh will not support a CSAM investigation with multiple victims, does anyone reasonably trust him to cooperate on a NCAA rules infraction case (particularly one that involves his son)?
Anyway, the reporting that the signal stealing and Weiss investigations are "unrelated" is technically correct. But the Weiss investigation has contributed to the digital evidence concerning signal stealing. And Weiss is knee-deep with the Harbaugh family. Jim hired Weiss as a GA at Stanford, and then promoted him to the coaching staff. John then hired Weiss to join his staff with the Ravens. Weiss was part of the Ravens posse that John sent to Jim to rescue his program. Weiss is very, very, very close to Harbaugh. The general belief among UM athletic staff is that there is a tacit agreement: Harbaugh doesn't cooperate with the Weiss investigation, and Weiss doesn't rat out the depth and reach of the scheme to steal play calls.
The third-party forensic analysis of Weiss's digital devices is what let this particular cat out of the bag. So, to the UM apologists who are now questioning the recent WaPo report ("Who broke into our computers???): No one did. Your own PD turned the information over for analysis.
According to an admin in Manuel's office - but not involved day-to-day with the football program - the Kiss of Death is (allegedly) clear and obvious appropriation of MASSIVE volumes of practice footage that were conveyed from a cloud server to localized storage on Weiss's computer. For example, allegedly, there are upwards of 50+ hours of OSU practice footage on Weiss's computer. The Citrix activity logs empirically demonstrate that mutiple coaches and staff accessed these same files. I have only heard this from one person at UM. However, this person is a dyed in the wool UM loyalist. One measure of restraint that I think we should contemplate: The most vocal minority at UM is defending/mitigating these behaviors. The silent majority at UM is appalled. Let's put ourselves in the same position: If Ryan Day were guilty of the same misdeeds, I'd agree with his tar and feathering...and immediately shutting down the season. This is an integrity of the game issue. UM has won games (and won games by improbable margins) as a direct product of egregious cheating. Most people who work at UM despise Harbaugh. And, the fact that this spawned from a CSAM investigation is insult upon injury. There is the football program, and then there is UM. Increasingly, these entities are disconnected.
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Captain Buckeye
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Sorry guys for my blah blah blah.
I’m just talking into the sky at this point.
I’m just talking into the sky at this point.
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One of the advantages of being recently retired is that you have way more free time on your hands. I have been spend that time since last week on message boards and listening to podcast, most of them with SCUM "journalists" . What follows is a possible timeline plus some of my speculation on what might have happened and what is coming. I am curious of BP's take on what might be right and what might be wrong.
November, 2022- Ryan Day and staff, in reviewing the film of their second loss , realized that they had a massive problem with SCUM stealing their signs. What was in 2021 a strong wave of suspicion became as tidal wave of anger.
Jan 2023- Matt Weiss is discovered to have accessed someone's computer illegally. The initial crime did not reveal that Weiss had accessed an OSU server and practice files. SCUM PD not having the resources necessary to do an analysis of Weiss' computer hires an outside firm to do that analysis.
Feb to July 2023- The outside firm does the analysis. It shows that Weiss not only accessed OSU servers, but that he tried or did access other teams systems. SCUM PD notifies the SCUM AD and calls in the FBI (since there was multiple interstate cases).Note- none of this would be related to the sign stealing. SCUM AD notifies OSU and NCAA.
July 2023- Hairball denies any knowledge of Weiss' actions. NCAA rolls this violation into the other issues with the SCUM football program.
July 2023- OSU is really pissed. First they steal their signs then they hack our computers. (Speculation) Since the FBI is handling the hacking, OSU or Ryan Day hire an investigation firm to find out how SCUM is stealing signs.
July 2023 to September 2023- NCAA and SCUM try to negotiate penalties. SCUM low balls 4 games Hairball suspension and NCAA says no. SCUM self imposes 3 games. Self important SCUM president backs Hairball
November 2023- OSU investigative firm presents to OSU their findings on Porn Name Marine. OSU hooks them up with NCAA. Shit hits fan #1
What's coming
Shit Hits Fan #2- This one is easy. There is lots of chatter that another shoe is going to drop for SCUM (even in this thread). Weiss will be charged or at least that information will become public.
Shit Hits Fan #3- SCUM insider, Isaiah Hole , said on a podcast yesterday that there was one maybe 2 "shoes to fall" for SCUM (and this on a podcast that he was being positive). I think that 2nd shoe is Weiss accessing other schools, but in a perfect world it would be Weiss implicating Hairball in his actions.
Unknown- Every SCUM insider is bucking up the SCUM fanbase that they are going to have something to "fight back" with. It could be they are going to push that back on the investigation firm if it comes out the OSU or Ryan Day did hire them as I have speculated here. After all, only the DFBIA would think that there would be a PR hit for doing this after being subjected to the biggest cheating scandal of the last 50 years and a criminal computer crime. But be aware because they think they have something.
November, 2022- Ryan Day and staff, in reviewing the film of their second loss , realized that they had a massive problem with SCUM stealing their signs. What was in 2021 a strong wave of suspicion became as tidal wave of anger.
Jan 2023- Matt Weiss is discovered to have accessed someone's computer illegally. The initial crime did not reveal that Weiss had accessed an OSU server and practice files. SCUM PD not having the resources necessary to do an analysis of Weiss' computer hires an outside firm to do that analysis.
Feb to July 2023- The outside firm does the analysis. It shows that Weiss not only accessed OSU servers, but that he tried or did access other teams systems. SCUM PD notifies the SCUM AD and calls in the FBI (since there was multiple interstate cases).Note- none of this would be related to the sign stealing. SCUM AD notifies OSU and NCAA.
July 2023- Hairball denies any knowledge of Weiss' actions. NCAA rolls this violation into the other issues with the SCUM football program.
July 2023- OSU is really pissed. First they steal their signs then they hack our computers. (Speculation) Since the FBI is handling the hacking, OSU or Ryan Day hire an investigation firm to find out how SCUM is stealing signs.
July 2023 to September 2023- NCAA and SCUM try to negotiate penalties. SCUM low balls 4 games Hairball suspension and NCAA says no. SCUM self imposes 3 games. Self important SCUM president backs Hairball
November 2023- OSU investigative firm presents to OSU their findings on Porn Name Marine. OSU hooks them up with NCAA. Shit hits fan #1
What's coming
Shit Hits Fan #2- This one is easy. There is lots of chatter that another shoe is going to drop for SCUM (even in this thread). Weiss will be charged or at least that information will become public.
Shit Hits Fan #3- SCUM insider, Isaiah Hole , said on a podcast yesterday that there was one maybe 2 "shoes to fall" for SCUM (and this on a podcast that he was being positive). I think that 2nd shoe is Weiss accessing other schools, but in a perfect world it would be Weiss implicating Hairball in his actions.
Unknown- Every SCUM insider is bucking up the SCUM fanbase that they are going to have something to "fight back" with. It could be they are going to push that back on the investigation firm if it comes out the OSU or Ryan Day did hire them as I have speculated here. After all, only the DFBIA would think that there would be a PR hit for doing this after being subjected to the biggest cheating scandal of the last 50 years and a criminal computer crime. But be aware because they think they have something.
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