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2023-2024 Ohio State Men's Basketball (apathy, depression, hope?)

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Might happen as soon as new AD gets his feet on the ground. He got A&M to fork out $70M for a buy-out, probably wouldn't blush to fork out $20M for Holtmann. Would hate to see it, actually, believe he's a good, but not great coach.
 
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calibuck said:
Might happen as soon as new AD gets his feet on the ground. He got A&M to fork out $70M for a buy-out, probably wouldn't blush to fork out $20M for Holtmann. Would hate to see it, actually, believe he's a good, but not great coach.
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I don't think anything happens mid-season but I hope CH's body of work is closely examined when it's over.
 
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Believe Holtmann does well as a coach for tOSU. His wins and losses are adequate, except for an institution like Ohio State. Doubt that tOSU is even considered a 'fringe blue blood' basketball team, what with the last (and only) NCAA championship in 1961. If you look at his teams, they don't get into much trouble, maybe a scrape or two, but nothing terrible, and don't know enough to know how the players do academically. Certainly don't fill up the Schott, but when went there in December, around 11,000 paid (?) attendees. Several times what the women garner, and the women's team is ranked higher. Not certain where I was going with this, other than attempting to look for positives.
 
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calibuck said:
Believe Holtmann does well as a coach for tOSU. His wins and losses are adequate, except for an institution like Ohio State. Doubt that tOSU is even considered a 'fringe blue blood' basketball team, what with the last (and only) NCAA championship in 1961. If you look at his teams, they don't get into much trouble, maybe a scrape or two, but nothing terrible, and don't know enough to know how the players do academically. Certainly don't fill up the Schott, but when went there in December, around 11,000 paid (?) attendees. Several times what the women garner, and the women's team is ranked higher. Not certain where I was going with this, other than attempting to look for positives.
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Sticking with a guy like Holtmann is pretty much admitting defeat. "we aren't gonna win anything but at least that part of the program isn't gonna ruffle any feathers or get in any trouble!"

There's no reason we shouldn't be at least competitive and have a chance to make a deeper tourney run every so often. Holtmann is on path to not even get them into the tourney for 2 straight years.

I don't think the new AD is going to stick with a ultra safe option when the time comes to make a change. Thankfully.
 
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calibuck said:
Believe Holtmann does well as a coach for tOSU. His wins and losses are adequate, except for an institution like Ohio State. Doubt that tOSU is even considered a 'fringe blue blood' basketball team, what with the last (and only) NCAA championship in 1961. If you look at his teams, they don't get into much trouble, maybe a scrape or two, but nothing terrible, and don't know enough to know how the players do academically. Certainly don't fill up the Schott, but when went there in December, around 11,000 paid (?) attendees. Several times what the women garner, and the women's team is ranked higher. Not certain where I was going with this, other than attempting to look for positives.
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This, especially the first part, was true up until last year. He was 2nd all time in winning percentage, was making the tournament regularly and, while not going deep enough to suit some, was near or around the historical norm for the program.

Then last year happened. So while he's still winning above 60% of his games, which is still top-3 at the school, the lack of tournament success is looming larger.

I'd expect him to be here through the year this year and probably next season too unless they finish under .500 again for the year or some sort of off-court stuff happens. Outside of the Ohio State fanbase, no one seems to think he's really even on any type of hot seat. If anything the national analysts seem to give him praise more than anything so it makes you wonder what they are seeing as well.
 
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Mike80 said:
This, especially the first part, was true up until last year. He was 2nd all time in winning percentage, was making the tournament regularly and, while not going deep enough to suit some, was near or around the historical norm for the program.

Then last year happened. So while he's still winning above 60% of his games, which is still top-3 at the school, the lack of tournament success is looming larger.

I'd expect him to be here through the year this year and probably next season too unless they finish under .500 again for the year or some sort of off-court stuff happens. Outside of the Ohio State fanbase, no one seems to think he's really even on any type of hot seat. If anything the national analysts seem to give him praise more than anything so it makes you wonder what they are seeing as well.
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agree on all points but his lack of any tourney runs coupled with ZERO conf titles (reg season or tourney) in 7 years is pretty glaring.
 
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brodybuck21 said:
agree on all points but his lack of any tourney runs coupled with ZERO conf titles (reg season or tourney) in 7 years is pretty glaring.
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It isn't as glaring if you take out the unicorn that was Thad Matta. But we can't do that anymore.

I just don't see it (Matta's era) being a consistent norm for this program again. The state doesn't produce enough talent on a yearly basis in basketball and the other competitors are more than comfortable replacing 1 and dones with more 1 and dones. And even at the end of Matta's era, it was clear things had shifted away and there wasn't much hope of getting back there. Given some of the very ugly things said about Matta within the fanbase is was almost a relief when he "retired".....

Doesn't mean they should stick with Holtmann long term though. But winning 63% of his games is pretty nice otherwise I guess.
 
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Mike80 said:
It isn't as glaring if you take out the unicorn that was Thad Matta. But we can't do that anymore.

I just don't see it (Matta's era) being a consistent norm for this program again. The state doesn't produce enough talent on a yearly basis in basketball and the other competitors are more than comfortable replacing 1 and dones with more 1 and dones. And even at the end of Matta's era, it was clear things had shifted away and there wasn't much hope of getting back there. Given some of the very ugly things said about Matta within the fanbase is was almost a relief when he "retired".....

Doesn't mean they should stick with Holtmann long term though. But winning 63% of his games is pretty nice otherwise I guess.
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i can agree on Matta success being a unicorn but no titles at all in 7 years? there should be something to show for that
 
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brodybuck21 said:
i can agree on Matta success being a unicorn but no titles at all in 7 years? there should be something to show for that
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ehh...I don't think they've been consistent enough. They flipped from a team concept (2017-2020) to more of a off-dribble set up.

I think this year's team is the most talented he's had since EJ was a freshman. Their fatal flaw is when they go cold shooting, they go REALLY cold.

I do think the year that got cancelled was built for a tourney run but we'll never know.
 
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