2022 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, Surrender Cobras, and Feckless Marmots

[ORD_Buckeye]

Has any team or program gotten higher off their own farts after one game than these chucklefucks have from finally stealing one against the worst defense I've ever seen in scarlet and grey?

I knew they'd be overly cocky after the win, but I couldn't fathom the degree to which that entire program and fanbase would break their own backs trying to suck themselves off.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Ord would certainly make this point if I didn't...

That was definitely a one-moment-Heisman. I saw the moment in real-time, and it was a heck of a moment; but that is not his Heisman.

That is Keith Byars' Heisman and Flutie needs to give it back or spend eternity in kept-a-Heisman-he-didn't-deserve Hell. which is totally real

Fucking triple crown, Dude: rushing yards, all-purpose yards and scoring! How often--if ever--has that been done other than by Byers in 1984? But Byers was a junior, and you could just watch the machinations leading up to the vote and how desperate they were to give it--for the first time in over a decade--to a whi.....ummm to a quarterback.

 

[Zurp]

Fucking triple crown, Dude: rushing yards, all-purpose yards and scoring! How often--if ever--has that been done other than by Byers in 1984? But Byers was a junior, and you could just watch the machinations leading up to the vote and how desperate they were to give it--for the first time in over a decade--to a whi.....ummm to a quarterback.

I'm not arguing with any of you or anything of what you guys have said. Again, if I watched a combined 15 minutes of football (not game time, but real time) that year, I don't remember it. I think I heard about the play, but the players or the teams didn't mean anything to me. I knew of Keith Byers, and living in Columbus I knew that saying, "Go Bucks," would get people to agree with me. But how do you respond to this comment?

https://www.heisman.com/heisman-win...ed the 1984 season,ranked eighth in the polls.

Flutie had a remarkable senior year, throwing for 3,454 yards and 27 touchdowns as the Eagles finished 9-2 in the regular season and ranked eighth in the polls. Of course, everyone remembers his dramatic last-second bomb to Gerard Phelan that led BC over Miami, 47-45. But contrary to popular belief, that play did not win Flutie the Heisman as the votes were already mailed in.

I would respond by saying, "What the fuck?!? 'The votes were already mailed in.' So, it's bad enough, in my mind, that the Heisman already doesn't take the bowl games into consideration. (Tell me Zeke doesn't win the Heisman in 2014 if you include the post-season.) But now they're saying it only took 10 of 11 games into consideration? What a stupid sham of an award. And I'm not even considering the fact that it's just a popularity contest, anyway."

Sorry for taking this thread off track.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Anyone telling you the votes were already mailed in is straight-up lying. Some people in the northeast might have already mailed their vote in, but Flutie was not even considered serious competition for Byars (yes, with an 'a') before that game.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Anyone telling you the votes were already mailed in is straight-up lying. Some people in the northeast might have already mailed their vote in, but Flutie was not even considered serious competition for Byars (yes, with an 'a') before that game.

And don't tell me that more than a few voters weren't chomping at the bit to give it to Flutie (whether because would be the first QB to win it in a decade or the first white guy to win it in a decade) and figured that Byars was a junior and would come back next year and get his.

 

[Zurp]

Anyone telling you the votes were already mailed in is straight-up lying. Some people in the northeast might have already mailed their vote in, but Flutie was not even considered serious competition for Byars (yes, with an 'a') before that game.

Fair enough. Also, daaaaaaaaaaaaang - I spelled it with an "e". I deserve to be haunted by Woody's ghost, for sure.

And don't tell me that more than a few voters weren't chomping at the bit to give it to Flutie (whether because would be the first QB to win it in a decade or the first white guy to win it in a decade) and figured that Byars was a junior and would come back next year and get his.

Also very fair. I remember in 2008 when people were debating whether Tebow deserved another one, several people's argument against him was that he already won one. I'm not arguing that he was more deserving than Bradford or anyone else that year, but it's an award for most outstanding player that year - who gives a fuck who won it any other year? You may be right that many voters wanted a white guy to win it or a QB or whatever, and it's already a sham of an award - stuff like that doubles the sham-ness. But to say "Dude will maybe win it next year, so let's give it to this other guy" - that's just stupid. What if the one dude who deserves it breaks his leg and can't play that next year? Oh... wait...

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Anyone telling you the votes were already mailed in is straight-up lying. Some people in the northeast might have already mailed their vote in, but Flutie was not even considered serious competition for Byars (yes, with an 'a') before that game.

Hate to contradict you, Daddy, but this is from the official Heisman Trophy website (Doug Flutie's profile):

Flutie had a remarkable senior year, throwing for 3,454 yards and 27 touchdowns as the Eagles finished 9-2 in the regular season and ranked eighth in the polls. Of course, everyone remembers his dramatic last-second bomb to Gerard Phelan that led BC over Miami, 47-45. But contrary to popular belief, that play did not win Flutie the Heisman as the votes were already mailed in.

"Flutie-to-Phelan cost Byars the Heisman" is the greatest Buckeye Urban Legend of all time, just ahead of "Tressel built a fence around Ohio".

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Hate to contradict you, Daddy, but this is from the official Heisman Trophy website (Doug Flutie's profile):


"Flutie-to-Phelan cost Byars the Heisman" is the greatest Buckeye Urban Legend of all time, just ahead of "Tressel built a fence around Ohio".

I reject your reality and choose to substitute my own

 

[Zurp]

Hate to contradict you, Daddy, but this is from the official Heisman Trophy website (Doug Flutie's profile):

Flutie had a remarkable senior year, throwing for 3,454 yards and 27 touchdowns as the Eagles finished 9-2 in the regular season and ranked eighth in the polls. Of course, everyone remembers his dramatic last-second bomb to Gerard Phelan that led BC over Miami, 47-45. But contrary to popular belief, that play did not win Flutie the Heisman as the votes were already mailed in.

"Flutie-to-Phelan cost Byars the Heisman" is the greatest Buckeye Urban Legend of all time, just ahead of "Tressel built a fence around Ohio".

How good is 3,454 yards and 27 touchdowns?
That would be #3 in Ohio State history for yards (behind 4,831 for Haskins in 2018 and 4,435 for Stroud in 2021). That's ahead of Germaine (3,330) in 1998. I remember when Germaine did that - I thought it was amazing. And to compare Flutie in 1984 with a Buckeye in a similar time, Karsatos passed for 2,311 in 1985, and Tomczak threw for 1,952 in 1984. Yeah, I know - different teams, different offenses, etc. But 3,454 looks pretty good, to me.
As for the 27 touchdowns, Karsatos is the only one in the top 12 for Ohio State who threw a pass before 1990. Karsatos threw 19 touchdowns in 1985. Ohio State has 6 seasons with a quarterback over 27 touchdowns.
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/football-qb-records/

I'm not jumping in on the "Flutie stole the Heisman" game. But here's Byars's numbers:

1,764 rush yards.#1 in the country. #2 was Rueben Mayes for Washington State with 1,637 yards.
22 rush touchdowns. #1 in the country. #2 Allen Pinkett with Notre Dame with 17.
He also had 42 receptions. Cripes - that's a lot for a running back, isn't it?
Passer rating of 724.0. Wow. (1 pass for a 35 yard touchdown.)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1984-leaders.html

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

How good is 3,454 yards and 27 touchdowns?
That would be #3 in Ohio State history for yards (behind 4,831 for Haskins in 2018 and 4,435 for Stroud in 2021). That's ahead of Germaine (3,330) in 1998. I remember when Germaine did that - I thought it was amazing. And to compare Flutie in 1984 with a Buckeye in a similar time, Karsatos passed for 2,311 in 1985, and Tomczak threw for 1,952 in 1984. Yeah, I know - different teams, different offenses, etc. But 3,454 looks pretty good, to me.
As for the 27 touchdowns, Karsatos is the only one in the top 12 for Ohio State who threw a pass before 1990. Karsatos threw 19 touchdowns in 1985. Ohio State has 6 seasons with a quarterback over 27 touchdowns.
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/football-qb-records/

I'm not jumping in on the "Flutie stole the Heisman" game. But here's Byars's numbers:

1,764 rush yards.#1 in the country. #2 was Rueben Mayes for Washington State with 1,637 yards.
22 rush touchdowns. #1 in the country. #2 Allen Pinkett with Notre Dame with 17.
He also had 42 receptions. Cripes - that's a lot for a running back, isn't it?
Passer rating of 724.0. Wow. (1 pass for a 35 yard touchdown.)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1984-leaders.htmlHercules?
And he scored a TD without his shoe. Without his fucking shoe!

 

[jwinslow]

Hate to contradict you, Daddy, but this is from the official Heisman Trophy website (Doug Flutie's profile):


"Flutie-to-Phelan cost Byars the Heisman" is the greatest Buckeye Urban Legend of all time, just ahead of "Tressel built a fence around Ohio".

Yes but if the ones you let out of that fence sabotage the team you were hired to beat, isn't that better than a fence?

 

[Zurp]

And he scored a TD without his shoe. Without his fucking shoe!

 

[CMic]

Best game I attended.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Hate to contradict you, Daddy, but this is from the official Heisman Trophy website (Doug Flutie's profile):


"Flutie-to-Phelan cost Byars the Heisman" is the greatest Buckeye Urban Legend of all time, just ahead of "Tressel built a fence around Ohio".

Hate to contradict the official Heisman web site as they try to rewrite history but I have talked to KB personally about this.

SI people had a story and cover of him ready to go. That was supposed to be the last media push for him to win Heisman. Their words to him.

Then the Hail Mary happened and it wasn’t Kieth on the cover. The guy who was on the cover won the Heisman.

So, back then at least, the media had the whole process pretty much under wraps and it was his until it wasn’t.

I’m more inclined to believe Kieth Byars than I am the official Heisman site telling me every member had mailed in their ballots for a December award before the regular season had ended.

 

[Bestbuck36]

JFC I want to shoot these assholes. Every comment on the internet now is "42-27!", "Nothing like 42-27 bruh" yada yada yada.... One fucking game in a decade and it's like we've never beat them.

Rapists. Terrorists. TTUN fans. Open season is how it should be!