2022 tOSU Offense

[dragurd]

Re: Oline push.

When we run our vertical/inside zone game, I have noticed a lack of, I guess I'll say "nasty". And, yes, a couple missed assignments here or there as well.

It's interesting watching when we run away from Dawand's side. Because that's where he size tends to work against him, where Ideally you'd love a RT who climbs to the 2nd level looking for work.



There are certain downs and distances, like above, where you're going to get unfavorable box numbers period.

Play action man and do it every fucking time till they play a sound defense and stop selling out everything. Hell even if it doesn't change the numbers if those other 4 off the line start to think they have to watch pass and either stand still or take a false step back for 2 seconds that's a win in that scenario.

Don't just stubbornly slam your face into a brick wall going well it'll break eventually. Sure it probably will but there is a reason even Alabama has gone away from that style of offense. It requires perfect execution vs scheming yourself an advantage. I'm a big proponent of working smarter not harder. Don't run plays into bad looks just to prove you can to prove you're a tough football team.. It's the opposite of Day's philosophy.

 

[Abenaki]

Or just stop trying to act like you are going to tough manball it into submission when the other team has superior numbers.

By my count there are 6 people at the line and 10 within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. Can you get a yard against that? Yes. But a lot of things need to go right. Instead Stover comes off the line instead of widening it continue up the seem and go over the top. Then do it every time they do something like that until you start seeing reasonable numbers in the box.

That is what I meant by play calling not doing them any favors and that you shouldn't be afraid to lean into your strengths.

I mentioned somewhere else, maybe the game thread, that it's almost like they know they can turn it on when they need it, so they spend way too much time jamming a square peg into a round hole.

2018 is the perfect example. They ran crossing routes until Michigan was forced to change, then they built off of that. I'm hoping we see the equivalent of that at the end of November. We can run their defense ragged on the back end and force them to compensate for that, then start hitting them with Miyan and Tre until they tap out.

 

[brodybuck21]

Column: Ohio State’s run game is back to being incredibly predictable
Everyone watching can tell when the Buckeyes are going to run the football based purely on the formation, which is not great in my personal opinion.

Ohio State’s running game has been less than stellar over the past two games, and that is putting it mildly. After totaling at least 160 yards rushing in each of the team’s first six games, the Buckeyes have failed to reach the century mark in back to back weeks against Iowa and Penn State. In fact, Ohio State was averaging 228 yards on the ground per game on six yards per attempt before these last two contests, wherein they totaled just 66 and 98 yards rushing, respectively, on a measly 2.9 yards per attempt.

So what gives? Can we simply chalk it up to Ohio State playing against some better defenses? Well, partially. But I think the main reason for the massive downgrade in production running the football has been a lack of creativity in the run game. More specifically, a lack of diversity in play calls based on the formation the offense comes out in. Anecdotally, it felt like the Buckeyes were running the football out of the same formations every single time against Penn State, and then we got the empirical data that this was actually the case, courtesy of Bill Connelly:


https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2...edibly-predictable-buckeyes-football-ryan-day

 

[Abenaki]

Tre's long TD was out of shotgun, FWIW.

 

[brodybuck21]

Tre's long TD was out of shotgun, FWIW.

thats what I was thinking

 

[OHSportsFan]

Ohio State ran the football 100% of the time when lined up either under center or in the pistol formation, compared to only 19.6% of the time when they lined up in shotgun. Essentially, Penn State could load up the box whenever they saw either an under center or pistol look from the Buckeyes — which they did — and there was never any threat of being beaten over the top by a passing play.

 

[dragurd]

That is what I meant by play calling not doing them any favors and that you shouldn't be afraid to lean into your strengths.

I mentioned somewhere else, maybe the game thread, that it's almost like they know they can turn it on when they need it, so they spend way too much time jamming a square peg into a round hole.

2018 is the perfect example. They ran crossing routes until Michigan was forced to change, then they built off of that. I'm hoping we see the equivalent of that at the end of November. We can run their defense ragged on the back end and force them to compensate for that, then start hitting them with Miyan and Tre until they tap out.

Yeah there are 3 options here. They're stupid, they're stubborn, or they are setting something up. Over the last few years I think it's safe to rule out 1. stupid. That leaves us with Stubborn or setting something up. There is evidence for the latter even though every fan always loves to claim that with no evidence.

I just hope it's not stubbornness over trying to prove TSUNs soft comments last year wrong. Do what you do. Do what the defense wants you to do. Don't force Tressel ball to prove you can when something else would be more effective.

 

[maximumblitz]

That leaves us with Stubborn or setting something up. There is evidence for the latter even though every fan always loves to claim that with no evidence.

I am okay with setting things up.

I remember one super bowl where a team had passed every time during the season from a certain formation. In the super bowl, they ran from the formation, and it turned out to be the longest super bowl run, at the time.

 

[shetuck]

i will add that Henderson doesnt do the best job of running through arm tackles currently

more like shoelace tackles...

 

[dragurd]

more like shoelace tackles...

He had that issue last year and it was a big part of why we bogged down when the giant holes disappeared. I was hoping that with a year more in the weight room he'd have more power. He's gained a little in the ower department but his balance hasn't really grown with it. He even takes himself down a lot trying to cut let alone people getting his legs

 

[1926Buckeyes]

He had that issue last year and it was a big part of why we bogged down when the giant holes disappeared. I was hoping that with a year more in the weight room he'd have more power. He's gained a little in the ower department but his balance hasn't really grown with it. He even takes himself down a lot trying to cut let alone people getting his legs

I'm not sure if it was on here or another forum, but someone commented that Henderson leans forward and cuts with the wrong foot, leading to a lot of slips and falling with little contact. Sorta like Elliott in early '14.

 

[pnuts34]

more like shoelace tackles...

He had that issue last year and it was a big part of why we bogged down when the giant holes disappeared. I was hoping that with a year more in the weight room he'd have more power. He's gained a little in the ower department but his balance hasn't really grown with it. He even takes himself down a lot trying to cut let alone people getting his legs

Reminds me of a young JK Dobbins and the complaints many of us had about him early when he shared Carries with Weber

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[Bestbuck36]

It's usually because our Defense has adjusted and they get NOTHING. First half we usually sprint to a lead sot we're talking that good and it includes all the garbage time points we've given up think about that for a minute.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Stat Pack: Where Ohio State stands statistically after Week 9

OFFENSE
Scoring offense: 48.9 points per game (2nd nationally, 1st in the Big Ten)

Passing offense: 317.8 yards per game (11th nationally, 1st in the Big Ten)

Rushing offense: 191.50 yards per game (34th nationally, 4th in the Big Ten)
Total offense: 509.3 yards per game (6th nationally, 1st in the Big Ten)

Third down conversion: 50 percent (tied for 14th nationally, 3rd in the Big Ten)

Red zone conversions: 97.56 percent (2nd nationally, 1st in the Big Ten)

Sacks allowed: 7 (Tied for 6th nationally, tied for 1st in the Big Ten)

Entire article: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-...nn-State-Nittany-Lions-196534172/#196534172_1