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2021 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, Surrender Cobras, Feckless Marmots, and Quitty Cowards

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Which scUM QB transfers first?

  • McNamara

    Votes: 23 45.1%

  • McCarthy

    Votes: 28 54.9%
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Mike80 said:
Metric fuckton.
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For those of you wondering what the DFBIA is talking about now...

https://www.mgoblog.com/mgoboard/opinion-michigan-mbb-ohio-state-fb-2010s

Opinion: Michigan basketball > Ohio State football the last 10 years.
His case:
- Ohio State FB has 5 Big Ten Championships in the 2010s+, Michigan MBB has 3 with two addt'l BTT championships
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I'm guessing he's counting season championships and tournament championships. So Michigan had 20 chances in those 10 years, and got 5. Ohio State, on the other hand, had 10 chances and got 5. I guess that's the same, in his mind. (Also, in the 5 Ohio State didn't win, they were undefeated in 1 of them (2012) but their magic tattoos from 2 years before kept them out, they were in the title game another year (2013), and 1 play away 2 more years (2015 and 2016).

- Ohio State FB has been to the national championship game twice, winning once, and three Semifinal appearances; Michigan MBB has been to the natty twice, with 3 Elite Eight appearances
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So 1 win, 1 loss in championship game, plus 3 final four appearances is roughly the same as 0 wins, 2 losses, 2 final four appearances (and 3 final eight appearances). Right. If football was an 8-team playoff, it'd be safe to assume Ohio State would have been in the final 8 in 2013, 2015, 2017, and 2018, to go along with 2014, 2016, 2019, and 2020.

- Michigan's ability to win the conference despite greater parity in MBB is on par, if not more exciting with Ohio State's consistency in FB
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So... Michigan hasn't been totally dominant, as Ohio State has. So winning the conference is better... ?? I don't get that one.

- Both programs have handled a coaching change exceptionally -- and I would argue Michigan has handled it even better
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Your argument is terrible, then. Ohio State went from Jim Tressel, who averaged about 10.5 wins and 2 losses per year, to Urban Meyer, who averaged about 12.0 wins and 1 loss per year, to Ryan Day, who has gotten EXACTLY 1 loss per year, and those were in the playoffs. Juwan Howard hasn't even gotten to the Final Four, yet, has he?

- Advantage to Michigan for, ahem, not ever being under sanctions in the 2010s despite this success, and by all accounts running a high integrity program
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Ah yes. Going the Penn State route, eh? "We're better people than you are!" Why not bring out championships from before the Korean War, or graduation rates, or all-time wins, or records versus Ann Arbor High School? I'll give them this point, but I'm actually taking a point for 3 of the previous arguments. I don't know what to do with #3.

I'll also take a point in that I know Ohio State's record versus Michigan in basketball is better than Michigan's record versus Ohio State in football those years.
 
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Zurp said:
For those of you wondering what the DFBIA is talking about now...

https://www.mgoblog.com/mgoboard/opinion-michigan-mbb-ohio-state-fb-2010s

Opinion: Michigan basketball > Ohio State football the last 10 years.
His case:

I'm guessing he's counting season championships and tournament championships. So Michigan had 20 chances in those 10 years, and got 5. Ohio State, on the other hand, had 10 chances and got 5. I guess that's the same, in his mind. (Also, in the 5 Ohio State didn't win, they were undefeated in 1 of them (2012) but their magic tattoos from 2 years before kept them out, they were in the title game another year (2013), and 1 play away 2 more years (2015 and 2016).


So 1 win, 1 loss in championship game, plus 3 final four appearances is roughly the same as 0 wins, 2 losses, 2 final four appearances (and 3 final eight appearances). Right. If football was an 8-team playoff, it'd be safe to assume Ohio State would have been in the final 8 in 2013, 2015, 2017, and 2018, to go along with 2014, 2016, 2019, and 2020.


So... Michigan hasn't been totally dominant, as Ohio State has. So winning the conference is better... ?? I don't get that one.


Your argument is terrible, then. Ohio State went from Jim Tressel, who averaged about 10.5 wins and 2 losses per year, to Urban Meyer, who averaged about 12.0 wins and 1 loss per year, to Ryan Day, who has gotten EXACTLY 1 loss per year, and those were in the playoffs. Juwan Howard hasn't even gotten to the Final Four, yet, has he?


Ah yes. Going the Penn State route, eh? "We're better people than you are!" Why not bring out championships from before the Korean War, or graduation rates, or all-time wins, or records versus Ann Arbor High School? I'll give them this point, but I'm actually taking a point for 3 of the previous arguments. I don't know what to do with #3.

I'll also take a point in that I know Ohio State's record versus Michigan in basketball is better than Michigan's record versus Ohio State in football those years.
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Glossed right over the fact that OSU football actually won a NC in that span I see.
 
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