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2021 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, Surrender Cobras, Feckless Marmots, and Quitty Cowards

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Which scUM QB transfers first?

  • McNamara

    Votes: 23 45.1%

  • McCarthy

    Votes: 28 54.9%
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cincibuck said:
The Bucks got lucky with Tressel. I'm sure there are folks here who know more about that 2000 hiring process than I do. But DII championships don't translate into National championship runs readily.

Ohio State had the same benefits that Michigan now offers: history, big ass stadium, strong alumni support, money. Despite those benefits, Tressel - who was not the first name on their shopping list - was the best they could do. Cooper and Bruce had winning records - Bruce was even one-up on the wolverines -and yet both were fired. Ohio State was seen as "mission impossible just as Michigan may seem to us now. Tressel proved the Ohio State job was not impossible. The Michigan job isn't impossible either, but John Cooper left Tressel the corps of an NC team and Tressel and Finkel left Urban enough to attract Alabama-level recruiting classes. Nothing near that is going to be waiting for the coach who replaces Hairball, but history, alums, a big ass stadium, and money will eventually yield results.

Woody Hayes1951-19782056110.761 16-11-1
Earl Bruce1979-198781261.755 5-4-0
John Cooper1988-2000111434.715 2-10-1
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It all comes back to defining "results". Can their history, money and big ass stadium produce 3-4 loss a year results? Sure. Can it consistently do better than that? History since 1950 says no, but anything is possible.

Continuing under the assumption that they are a blue blood, equal in all respects but for the right coach is ignoring some pretty significant data points.
 
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cincibuck said:
The Bucks got lucky with Tressel. I'm sure there are folks here who know more about that 2000 hiring process than I do. But DII championships don't translate into National championship runs readily.

Ohio State had the same benefits that Michigan now offers: history, big ass stadium, strong alumni support, money. Despite those benefits, Tressel - who was not the first name on their shopping list - was the best they could do. Cooper and Bruce had winning records - Bruce was even one-up on the wolverines -and yet both were fired. Ohio State was seen as "mission impossible just as Michigan may seem to us now. Tressel proved the Ohio State job was not impossible. The Michigan job isn't impossible either, but John Cooper left Tressel the core of an NC team and Tressel and Finkel left Urban enough to attract Alabama-level recruiting classes. Nothing near that is going to be waiting for the coach who replaces Hairball, but history, alums, a big ass stadium, and money will eventually yield results.

Woody Hayes1951-19782056110.761 16-11-1
Earl Bruce1979-198781261.755 5-4-0
John Cooper1988-2000111434.715 2-10-1
Jim Tressel
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I think the overall climate of everything is much much different than it was back in 2000 though. I could be wrong but I’d argue that feat would be much more difficult now.
 
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cincibuck said:
The Bucks got lucky with Tressel. I'm sure there are folks here who know more about that 2000 hiring process than I do. But DII championships don't translate into National championship runs readily.

Ohio State had the same benefits that Michigan now offers: history, big ass stadium, strong alumni support, money. Despite those benefits, Tressel - who was not the first name on their shopping list - was the best they could do. Cooper and Bruce had winning records - Bruce was even one-up on the wolverines -and yet both were fired. Ohio State was seen as "mission impossible just as Michigan may seem to us now. Tressel proved the Ohio State job was not impossible. The Michigan job isn't impossible either, but John Cooper left Tressel the core of an NC team and Tressel and Finkel left Urban enough to attract Alabama-level recruiting classes. Nothing near that is going to be waiting for the coach who replaces Hairball, but history, alums, a big ass stadium, and money will eventually yield results.

Woody Hayes1951-19782056110.761 16-11-1
Earl Bruce1979-198781261.755 5-4-0
John Cooper1988-2000111434.715 2-10-1
Jim Tressel
Click to expand...
Every one of those OSU coaches is a HOFer, while scUM is one a run of three straight magnificent hires... Plus we all know Ohio players have special powers, and Tressel was that dude who put the focus back on The Game, and put the fence back up, so no more Heisman-winning traitors up north. And now Ryan freaking Day could be here for a decade or two. And they wussed out of The Game last year.

So what I’m saying is, I don’t see anything eventual about it, at all.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
I think the overall climate of everything is much much different than it was back in 2000 though. I could be wrong but I’d argue that feat would be much more difficult now.
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BayBuck said:
Every one of those OSU coaches is a HOFer, while scUM is one a run of three straight magnificent hires... Plus we all know Ohio players have special powers, and Tressel was that dude who put the focus back on The Game, and put the fence back up, so no more Heisman-winning traitors up north. And now Ryan freaking Day could be here for a decade or two. And they wussed out of The Game last year.

So what I’m saying is, I don’t see anything eventual about it, at all.
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Recruiting is the key thing imo. Tress put the oft dreamt of fence around Ohio and one program shot to the apex of CFB and another fell into the abyss.

The next coach has to look at recruiting similar to how ND does it, a completely national approach because even though the home state is better than it used to be, it isn't enough. The problem for the next coach is that ND has a built in feeder system of catholic high schools. the tsun head coach is trying to sell 100 year old history, a big stadium an alumni network and goofy helmets to kids who want to hear about NFL prep, playoff contention, real life Wednesdays and NIL.

Recruiting nationally is, in and of itself, a daunting task if for nothing else the travel demands. Add to that, you are trying to sell an expired product and your main competitor is already where you are trying so hard to get to and I could see it all playing a role in the decision process for a "name" kind of coach wanting to go to AA.

I agree with Cincy in the sense that they are going to have to find a Tressel like guy (which is what they thought they had with Hoke) but he's going to have to be a generational recruiter a la Urban to even come close to making up the gap that's been opened between the two programs. Like I said, theoretically possible. I question the probability.
 
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BayBuck said:
Every one of those OSU coaches is a HOFer, while scUM is one a run of three straight magnificent hires... Plus we all know Ohio players have special powers, and Tressel was that dude who put the focus back on The Game, and put the fence back up, so no more Heisman-winning traitors up north. And now Ryan freaking Day could be here for a decade or two. And they wussed out of The Game last year.

So what I’m saying is, I don’t see anything eventual about it, at all.
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maybe I am giving too much credit to Tressel but I feel he did not put the fence back up. I feel he erected that mother fucker with brick and mortar from scratch. scUM still had good Ohio kids on Woody’s watch. JT effectively put a stop to that and, as a glorious result, wrecked the entire Goddamned state of *ichigan in the process.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Recruiting is the key thing imo. Tress put the oft dreamt of fence around Ohio and one program shot to the apex of CFB and another fell into the abyss.

The next coach has to look at recruiting similar to how ND does it, a completely national approach because even though the home state is better than it used to be, it isn't enough. The problem for the next coach is that ND has a built in feeder system of catholic high schools. the tsun head coach is trying to sell 100 year old history, a big stadium an alumni network and goofy helmets to kids who want to hear about NFL prep, playoff contention, real life Wednesdays and NIL.

Recruiting nationally is, in and of itself, a daunting task if for nothing else the travel demands. Add to that, you are trying to sell an expired product and your main competitor is already where you are trying so hard to get to and I could see it all playing a role in the decision process for a "name" kind of coach wanting to go to AA.

I agree with Cincy in the sense that they are going to have to find a Tressel like guy (which is what they thought they had with Hoke) but he's going to have to be a generational recruiter a la Urban to even come close to making up the gap that's been opened between the two programs. Like I said, theoretically possible. I question the probability.
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scUM fell way behind as a National "brand".

Sure they have a big alumni network, but they don't have the same pizazz overall as the Ohio State, Clemson or the SEC schools like Bama/UGA/LSU/Florida types. Hell even Notre Dame is a bit ahead of them. That have established themselves as the elite of this particular generation of college football.

It's going to take somewhat of a miracle for them to burst on as a major player on the national recruiting scene on the level of the above mentioned. Currently they are fighting with everyone else in the "also ran" category for the leftover scraps pretty much (and not doing the best job at it)
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
It's going to take somewhat of a miracle for them to burst on as a major player on the national recruiting scene on the level of the above mentioned. Currently they are fighting with everyone else in the "also ran" category for the leftover scraps pretty much (and not doing the best job at it)
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Almost like they are a 3 loss a year team for the past 70 some odd years or something.

They are Texas with wangs on their helmets.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Reading their thoughts on the latest tranfer. Its hilarious they think moving their low 3* DEs to OLB is going to be a "fix" for LBer depth. Just like they thought moving their low 3* DEs inside to DT would fix that problem too. DFBIA gonna DFBIA.
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Just recruit 85 DEs and move them to wherever you need depth
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Guys who aren't explosive or twitchy enough to be effective pass rushers often excel when you stand them up and ask them to play a position that requires more athleticism.

Everyone knows this.
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Their fetish right now is not getting as ran over by Wisconsin as the past few years (they seem to concede that Ohio State is likely to score at will on them regardless). Big Slow Unagile LBers are surely the cure for that, yes?
 
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