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2021 tOSU Defense

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buchtelgrad04 said:
Also, all the best OSU defenses in the last 10+ years have been simple “predictable” defenses that the guys execute well. But the callers have added variations. Coombs hasn’t done that.
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Agree. Also the first (ish given the oddity of last year) time in those ~10 years we haven't had a Bosa or Chase Young led, dominate DL to lead the defense. It's the double whammy we've been discussing. Predictable play caller + inexperienced back 7 x weakest DL in a decade = fucking disaster.

I think the first two inputs into that formula can, and will be, fixed (enough) in-season. The DL is going to take some rapid development from some guys who are either brand new or, as yet in their college careers, haven't shown they can do it consistently at this level. Until that starts to happen though, every B1G game is going to be a dog fight. Every one of them.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
If we were in person, I’d point directly at your face and laugh louder than I’ve ever laughed before.

What, did you play 5 to my 4? Is that where you guys’ extra experience came from?
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Congrats so we are on equal footing... what's laughable is you don't see the benefit of sending 2 through the same gap on an obvious passing down with no regards for lanes?

UGA could afford to do that because Clemson had no answers. I'm not saying OSU can do it be because we can barely get a 3 and out but if you're a sound defense you can do that sometimes without a bust.
 
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bukIpower said:
Congrats so we are on equal footing... what's laughable is you don't see the benefit of sending 2 through the same gap on an obvious passing down with no regards for lanes?
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Not from the front seven. If you add a DB blitzing, yes he can run behind a LB. I’d never send two LBs in the same gap.

Also, the only obvious passing downs in 2021 are late game situations. More and more teams are calling runs inside the guards on 3rd and long. And it’s very effective for some reason.
 
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I just rewatched the game vs Tulsa

First D play of the game we did twist our LBs through opposite A gaps. Third play of the game, we had 3rd and long and two DEs were up in two point, and the both LBs blizted the Offenses right, A and B gaps. The last 3rd and long we did stand all four guys up.

Second possession, about the sixth play we brought another A B twist to the left side. 8th play they brought both LBs through the same B gap to the right. 10th play we brought another A cross blitz.

Third drive. Fourth play we brought the bullet off the edge. One thing that is standing out. Very few Dline stunts at all. Fifth play 3rd and long, two guys in three points and two two points, brought both backers straight A gaps picked up easily.

Fourth drive. Third play we walked one LB up and he came, ended in what should have been INT.

Fifth drive, last of the half with 47 seconds left. We drop 8 for the first time with 18 seconds left, we are basically in a prevent. We stood everyone up on the next play with 12 seconds left but came with 4.

Second Half, first drive. Third play double A blitz, stood two DEs up. Three and out.

Second drive. Third play walked both LBs up in A gaps and X'd. Fifth play finally a Dline stunt and JTT almost gets home, double loop. Sixth play, walked up Sam, brought sam in A with Mike coming right behind him. 8th play of the drive we went to a three man front dime package and dropped 8 on 3rd and 20.

Fifth play walked Sam up and straight ahead. Punt.

Next drive after the TO, four plays TD zero blitzes.

Next possession, fourth play we walked Sam up and brought him on a run easily blocked. Sixth play walked both up in A gaps and brought them. Ninth play, walked them both up in the double A, blocked easily TD.

Next drive, 8 snaps, zero blitzes. Williams with a big sack on third down.

So we are now down to just over 3 minutes left in the game. We have dropped 8 twice, once in the first half with 18 seconds left, and once with a dime package in on 3rd and 20. We are yet to see a DE drop into coverage.

With 3:07 left, we came out in something other than our base 4-3 or nickel. We have only 2 DE's in, zero DT's, the LBs are walked up and only one of them coming but the other is spying the QB. It is a dime package with 4 in the box. This is basically a prevent. 2 deep safteies. INT for a TD. We still weren't dropping 8. We rushed three and spied the QB.

Last drive, 1:46, we have our subs in and back into our base defense.Third down back to the dime package. End of game

So we are not dropping 8 with any regularity, and only did so twice as mentioned above. We aren't dropping DE's or replacing LBs with Dlinemen etc. We did blitz LBs through the same gap twice. The lack of Dline stunts was eye opening. When we did they were successful. That is what I see after rewatching the game.
 
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bukIpower said:
Considering most should have been upper classes? I don't think the argument is difficult then.
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Upper classmen without experience....most of these guys are seeing meaningful game snaps for the first time. Whether we want to admit it or not, there's some learning on the job that is happening and the coaches are having to discern who is and who isn't learning fast enough in-games, which leads to more substitutions.

It's not ideal but I'm pretty sure that's what is happening.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
“wE aReN’t DrOpPiNg DeS oR rEpLaCiNg LbS wItH dLiNeMeN”

Yes we are. And I hate that you even made me quote this dude who doesn’t know shit.

The LB blitzed on this play and the DE was supposed to drop in coverage, but he was slow to do it.
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I did not see that play when I rewatched it. I watched the game in double time. I would like to see that play at full speed because it very easily could have been the DE was rushing and is reacting to the play vs being responsible for covering a back out of the backfield. He is across the LOS so I am calling BS that he was dropping into coverage. No way he crosses the LOS if his responsibility was pass coverage. Is that all you have?
 
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Hstead said:
I did not see that play when I rewatched it. I watched the game in double time. I would like to see that play at full speed because it very easily could have been the DE was rushing and is reacting to the play vs being responsible for covering a back out of the backfield. He is across the LOS so I am calling BS that he was dropping into coverage. No way he crosses the LOS if his responsibility was pass coverage. Is that all you have?
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They did it more than once...

Again, Jacolbe was beat so badly because he stepped too far upfield.

Watch Tyreke Smith on this play, he plays it correctly.
 
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