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2020 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Surrender Cobras (Confirmed COWARDS!)

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MGMT said:


Imagine your program being so stagnant over a two-decade period that you’ve resorted to playing the “what-if game” so frequently.

And honestly all it did was irritate me; t forced me to play what if and I thought of Hamby.

Goddamnit
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Even funnier that "what if" game is a prime example of Harbaugh's incompetency in big games. Ohio State was doing all they could to hand them that game, and they could not seize it.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Meanwhile, scUM still only has 2 commits in the 2021 class

One is a 5* (QB JJ McCarthy)

but out of the current uncommitted 5 stars they have zero favorable crystal ball action.

Uncommitted top 100 Rocco Spindler is the only one they have favorable Crystal Ball action for (though Edwards may end up there as well)

Right now 4 top 100 seems like their best case scenario.

Ohio State currently has 9.

The gap continues to widen.
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What would possess a 5* qb to even consider it at this point?
Entering year 6 with no light at the end of the tunnel.
Some of the worst QB development in D1.
Cant even say 'playing time', because Harbaugh will go dumpster diving for a transfer every year...
 
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Counterpoint:

That was Jimmy's last, best shot at playing OSU with equal talent. He had a SR laden team, recruited by Hoke, playing a young OSU team and missed his chance.

Paradigm shifting isn't going to change the talent gap that has revealed itself over the past 3 editions of The Game. You know there is a talent gap when one team plays as well as it can and can hang with the other for about a half. Then, if there is any misstep whatsoever, talent gaps reveal themselves by the more talented team blowing the doors off the plucky, lesser talented team who kept it as close as they could for as long as they could.

2017 half time score: 14-14
2017 Final score: 31-20
2017 second half: +11

2018 halftime score:24-19
2018 Final score: 62-39
2018 second half: +18

2019 halftime score:28-16
2019 Final score: 56-27
2019 second half: +17

Maybe I am just a homer but I see a trend here and looking at 2021 recruiting, it's only getting worse.

In conclusion, to paraphrase the economists, it's the talent gap stupid.
 
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Jaxbuck said:


Counterpoint:

That was Jimmy's last, best shot at playing OSU with equal talent. He had a SR laden team, recruited by Hoke, playing a young OSU team and missed his chance.

Paradigm shifting isn't going to change the talent gap that has revealed itself over the past 3 editions of The Game. You know there is a talent gap when one team plays as well as it can and can hang with the other for about a half. Then, if there is any misstep whatsoever, talent gaps reveal themselves by the more talented team blowing the doors off the plucky, lesser talented team who kept it as close as they could for as long as they could.

2017 half time score: 14-14
2017 Final score: 31-20
2017 second half: +11

2018 halftime score:24-19
2018 Final score: 62-39
2018 second half: +18

2019 halftime score:28-16
2019 Final score: 56-27
2019 second half: +17

Maybe I am just a homer but I see a trend here and looking at 2021 recruiting, it's only getting worse.

In conclusion, to paraphrase the economists, it's the talent gap stupid.
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It's amazing how obvious it is and how many people (media, etc.) still can't see it even after Meyer's been flat out telling people about it on Fox for the last year.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
That was Jimmy's last, best shot at playing OSU with equal talent. He had a SR laden team, recruited by Hoke, playing a young OSU team and missed his chance.
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Ohio State was not just young, but very down in talent on the offensive side of the ball:

2014
QB: J.T Barrett (UDA)
RB: Ezekiel Elliott (1st round)
RB: Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
WR: Devin Smith (2nd round)
WR: Michael Thomas (2nd round)
HB: Jalin Marshall (UDA)
TE: Nick Vannett (3rd round)
TE: Jeff Heuerman (3rd round)

2016
QB: J.T. Barrett (UDA)
RB: Mike Weber (7th round)
RB: ?????
WR: Noah Brown (7th round)
WR: Dontre Wilson (UDA)
HB: Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
TE: Marcus Baugh (UDA)
TE: ?????

In 2016, Michigan had an all-time great defense (four future 1st round picks) and Ohio State had a subpar offense (Curtis Samuel and nothing else). In fact, it's safe to say that the Buckeyes will not have an offense that devoid of talent for the foreseeable future.

2016 was the best case scenario for Michigan, yet Ohio State still prevailed.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Ohio State was not just young, but very down in talent on the offensive side of the ball:

2014
QB: J.T Barrett (UDA)
RB: Ezekiel Elliott (1st round)
RB: Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
WR: Devin Smith (2nd round)
WR: Michael Thomas (2nd round)
HB: Jalin Marshall (UDA)
TE: Nick Vannett (3rd round)
TE: Jeff Heuerman (3rd round)

2016
QB: J.T. Barrett (UDA)
RB: Mike Weber (7th round)
RB: ?????
WR: Noah Brown (7th round)
WR: Dontre Wilson (UDA)
HB: Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
TE: Marcus Baugh (UDA)
TE: ?????

In 2016, Michigan had an all-time great defense (four future 1st round picks) and Ohio State had a subpar offense (Curtis Samuel and nothing else). In fact, it's safe to say that the Buckeyes will not have an offense that devoid of talent for the foreseeable future.

2016 was the best case scenario for Michigan, yet Ohio State still prevailed.
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Yes. 1000%

That was their shot and they blew it. They will never be that close again as far as talent goes for quite some time now.

Only way they have a competitive game for the near future is if we keep dinged up or we lose multiple players early to the pros while they get everyone to return. Even then it'll still be really hard for them to win.
 
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bukIpower said:
Yes. 1000%

That was their shot and they blew it. They will never be that close again as far as talent goes for quite some time now.

Only way they have a competitive game for the near future is if we keep dinged up or we lose multiple players early to the pros while they get everyone to return. Even then it'll still be really hard for them to win.
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That or we have game like PSU this year where we kept trying to hand them the game. Weather and turnovers are the great equalizer.
 
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Jaxbuck said:


2018 halftime score:24-19
2018 Final score: 62-39
2018 second half: +18
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That 2018 game was close(ish) through the 1st half, but keep in mind that it was sitting at 21-6 when they scored a TD with 0:47 left before half (on a drive kept alive by an absolutely terrible PI on 3rd & 9 at midfield). McCall then muffed the kickoff and ttun recovered inside the 5 and scored again. We were able to add a FG before half, but that game was on the verge of being a blowout in the 2nd quarter.

They really weren't as close as the 62-39 score might have indicated.....
 
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