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2020 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Surrender Cobras (Confirmed COWARDS!)

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Maybe he’s talking about his brother.
So, much like their entire program, Jimbo gets to grab some glory based on somebody else's accomplishments? That's on brand.

"Standing on the shoulders of giants does not make you tall."
 
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It WAS his ideal job. Low pressure on the expectations front and played in a bad conference. It's not a coincidence Stanford emerged when USC went down in flames. The Pac-12 was Stanford and flawed Oregon teams.

Because they still see Ryan Day as a byproduct of the Urban machine.

When Urban took over, they seemed to be inching back to at least even in the rivalry. They finally won a game and Urban Meyer comes along and snuffs out all of the joy by taking the Ohio State job. He proceeds to kick the crap out of them for 7 years both on field and on the recruiting trail. Him walking into what was a seriously wounded tOSU program and turning it around immediately is direct antithesis of what they've experienced with their last 3 hires. Day, decending directly from Meyer, is just another stab wound from devilish Urban.

I doubt Stanford would put up with his shit for more than his usual 3 years.
My guess is, somewhere like WVU is his ideal situation (sorry Gee). Low expectations, and "quirky" is a plus.

Here's another graph, this time showing the scoring differential. I begin the graph at the year 2000, because going back to 1918 required me to input too much data. Sorry, that's what you get for free.

But I will explain how we get to the scoring differential in the year 2000....

From 1897 to 1918, Michigan surged to a 13-0-2 lead in The Rivalry against Ohio State teams that were quite frankly outmatched. In those first 15 games, Ohio State scored in just four of those contests, with no more than 6 points in any one contest. This allowed Michigan to outscore Ohio State 341 to 21, for a point differential of 320.

By 1927, Michigan had increased its point lead to 373 (457 to 84). Through the first 24 Games combined, Ohio State scored just 84 total points, while Michigan scored 86 points in 1902 Game alone. Ohio State's largest scoring output in the first 24 Games was 16 in 1926 (ironically, a 17-16 loss).

By 1941, Ohio State had closed the gap back down to 328 points (603 to 275), thanks in large part to four consecutive blowout shutouts in 1934 (34-0); 1935 (38-0); 1936 (21-0); and 1937 (21-0).

By 1951, Michigan forged its largest margin in point differential, with a lead of 448 points (791 to 343).

Woody Hayes swung The Rivalry back into Ohio State's favor. From 1952 to 1975, he reduced the gap in wins from 20 to 11, and in points from 448 to 307 (1075 to 768). As mentioned above, Woody slipped in his final years, losing his last three Games by a combined score of 50 to 9, which increased the overall point gap to 348 in favor of Michigan (1125 to 777).

Earle Bruce slightly reduced the point gap down to 331 (1275 to 944) before John Cooper really let the situation get out of hand. When Cooper left Ohio State after the 2000 season, the point gap had ballooned almost back to the 1951 low point. It was 409 points (1563 to 1154) when Jim Tressel took over (and where the graph begins)....

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Even though Tressel had an early 2-1 record in The Game, the point differential actually increased to 412 (1627 to 1215) after the 2003 loss. Since then, Ohio State has (more or less) steadily closed the scoring gap:

2003: 412 (1627 to 1215)
2004: 396 (1648 to 1252)
2005: 392 (1669 to 1277)
2006: 389 (1708 to 1319)
2007: 378 (1711 to 1333)
2008: 343 (1718 to 1375)
2009: 332 (1728 to 1396)
2010: 302 (1735 to 1433)
2011: 308 (1775 to 1467)
2012: 303 (1796 to 1493)
2013: 302 (1837 to 1535)
2014: 288 (1865 to 1577)
2015: 259 (1878 to 1619)
2016: 256 (1905 to 1649)
2017: 245 (1925 to 1680)
2018: 222 (1964 to 1742)
2019: 193 (1991 to 1798)

Since the end of World War One, Ohio State leads the series: 52-45-4, outscoring Michigan by 106 points (1777 to 1671). All of Michigan's claim to "Leaders and Best" (including five of their MNCs) comes from the true Dark Ages of football.

I pulled wikipedia's data and added 2 columns. I get slightly different #s starting from 1918, but didn't check Wiki's accuracy.
CSV from Wiki, and massaged excel spreadsheet.

Hopefully it helps with any future data entry.

edit - wrong file, replaced

It's funny how Michigan fans never own up to the whole Yost story or how they have continually tried to bully the rest of the Big Ten. BB73's posting years back of the battles back and forth between Yost and Rockne followed by their effort to keep Notre Dame out of the conference, then Michigan State, followed by their bellyaching over the Rose Bowl following the 10 - 10 tie, continuing with 2016 and the critical first down call, adn now the whole everyone else cheats.

They also had Nebraska kicked out of AAU within a year of joining Conference.
I suppose Corn had it coming... but I don't see anyone else getting kicked out, and reportedly they weren't only school ranked in the 100s.
 

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This is thread is prime DFBIA

https://www.mgoblog.com/mgoboard/os...-dust?sort_by=thread&items_per_page=50&page=0

A combo of "bagmen" claims and "MICHIGAN HAS TO OBEY BY HIGHER ACADEMIC STANDARDS FOR ITS FOOTBALL PLAYERS" (which we all know is complete bullocks)



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May 20th, 2020 at 12:51 PM ^

Nobody else is recruiting on the level of OSU, Clemson, and Bama. That probably won't change until we beat OSU, play for a B1G title, make a playoff appearance, etc.

It won't change even if that happens. College football is well past a crossroads where every program had to make up its minds. OSU decided it's a "good old boys'" business, where its coaches and players are untouchable, they cover things up with a very slick PR campaign, and they're best buddies with the NCAA. They run their football program like a successful organized crime ring -- corrupt, territorial, but also very savvy. I'd marvel at it if it wasn't for the depth of institutional corruption; when they can't keep a lid on everything, they literally pick and choose their scandals and punishments, and the media is more than happy to lap it up.

I won't pretend Michigan's players aren't held to different standards as the general student body, but Michigan is still an academic institution first, and some of that bleeds over into recruiting and retention challenges OSU simply doesn't worry about. We've lost out on recruits due to academic eligibility. We've suspended key players for meaningful durations over academic infractions, something OSU probably thinks is hilarious. Harbaugh's crew has made some boneheaded mistakes but overall they get close to most out of what they're forced to work with.

One upset isn't going to change all that. There are massive institutional differences between the two schools; OSU is still a large academic institution, but when it comes to football, functionally it is now a football program with a school arbitrarily attached. It's no exaggeration to say that by far the most powerful government official in that state is the OSU football coach.

It's killing my interest in the sport, really. The games get more interesting further down, but for all but a few programs there's nothing at the top left to play for. The business of football has become so cynical and insular that the outcomes are usually decided well before the players even start the season, and if Michigan decides it's going to go the OSU route I'd be all. . . okay? It's hard to care about the "rivalry" now, but if it goes from an annual curb-stomping to not one but two huge faceless, corrupt, politically well-connected crime families throwing their bottomless resources at each other, that's not going to save it for me.

What a little bitch
 
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What a little bitch
OSU decided it's a "good old boys'" business, where its coaches and players are untouchable, they cover things up with a very slick PR campaign, and they're best buddies with the NCAA.

Have they been around for the last two times an OSU coach has left the program?

Even if you want to claim OSU covered things up, claiming the PR efforts were “slick“ shows you how out of touch with reality this knob is.
 
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Have they been around for the last two times an OSU coach has left the program?

Even if you want to claim OSU covered things up, claiming the PR efforts were “slick“ shows you how out of touch with reality this knob is.

How do they reconcile the fact that we literally turned Tressell into the ncaa. All the wheels were spinning before yahoo "broke" the story. If we were even a fraction of what they say we are, we would have flushed those emails down the memory hole, and our "bagmen" would have bought the grad student's silence. Instead, we self-reported, and when the story became public, held that shitshow of a "hope he doesn't fire me" press conference followed by months of Tressell twisting in the wind when everybody in power at the university knew damn well he would ultimately be fired.
 
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Have they been around for the last two times an OSU coach has left the program?

Even if you want to claim OSU covered things up, claiming the PR efforts were “slick“ shows you how out of touch with reality this knob is.

Their PR courses are all online. Subpar quality of education. As such, our PR looks good.
 
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