2020 tOSU Offense

[DaddyBigBucks]

anecdotal... but I recall (as best I can right now) a shit ton of those being thrown well short of the sticks and either KJ Hill or JK Dobbins (I love the yin/yang of that) YAC'ing the living fuck out of the defense.

which is of course my "not so fast my friend" theme for 2020.

Let's see how well OSU/Day reload at those two dong punch of death on 3rd down positions before we start sucking each others dicks just yet on the 2020 offense.

(Obviously the talent is there...at least at WR)

Completely disagree.

Sometimes it was Garrett Wilson that would YAC the living fuck out of the defense, like he did on a 3rd and long in the big house.

Seriously though, I think you're on to something there. There were definitely times when short crossing routes resulted in big plays on 3rd and long. You have to wonder... were the defenses on 3rd and medium not susceptible to such plays, or did Ohio State not call such plays on 3rd and medium?

The average FBS team was 99.6% MORE likely to gain a first down when throwing on 3rd and 4 to 6 yards to go than they were on 3rd and 10+.
Ohio State was 32.7% LESS likely to do so.

The average FBS team was 54.1% MORE likely to gain a first down when completing a pass on 3rd and 4 to 6 yards to go than they were on 3rd and 10+.
Ohio State was 66.7% LESS likely to do so.

Whether it was from different defenses resulting in more pressure on 3rd and medium or in less susceptibility to YAC on 3rd and medium, or whether it was different play calling on 3rd and medium... I don't know. But I bet the people in the WHAC do.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Completely disagree.

Sometimes it was Garrett Wilson that would YAC the living fuck out of the defense, like he did on a 3rd and long in the big house.

Seriously though, I think you're on to something there. There were definitely times when short crossing routes resulted in big plays on 3rd and long. You have to wonder... were the defenses on 3rd and medium not susceptible to such plays, or did Ohio State not call such plays on 3rd and medium?

The average FBS team was 99.6% MORE likely to gain a first down when throwing on 3rd and 4 to 6 yards to go than they were on 3rd and 10+.
Ohio State was 32.7% LESS likely to do so.

The average FBS team was 54.1% MORE likely to gain a first down when completing a pass on 3rd and 4 to 6 yards to go than they were on 3rd and 10+.
Ohio State was 66.7% LESS likely to do so.

Whether it was from different defenses resulting in more pressure on 3rd and medium or in less susceptibility to YAC on 3rd and medium, or whether it was different play calling on 3rd and medium... I don't know. But I bet the people in the WHAC do.

I'm hammered and you have done work here. I concede the field my friend.

 

[ScriptOhio]

The days of worrying if the Ohio State depth would hold up on the offensive line are long gone.

The standard has been raised by the Buckeyes in the trenches. And now they go into the season trying to prove they are the best unit in the country, not just one that needs a little good luck to keep the Big Ten champions rolling.

Ohio State does have some intrigue as it tries to replace two starters. But bringing back three surefire NFL Draft picks is a pretty impressive foundation, and the program also has a handful of some of the nation’s most coveted recruits waiting in the wings for a group that might be as well-stocked and versatile as the program has seen in quite some time.

“As an offensive line unit, we were taking huge steps this spring,” Ohio State center Josh Myers said. “Even just through the first week, through the first few practices, our young guys were taking huge steps. I could tell that we have some young guys that were going to get better this spring. I think the competition for those two spots, there isn’t a clear-cut answer as to who’s going to start. I think the competition of that was driving all of them so far striving for that spot.

“They were getting better and it was fun to watch. As to who will start, I don’t think any of us know right now, but time will tell.”

Myers has one job locked down in the middle, and he’s flanked by projected first-round pick Wyatt Davis at right guard and multi-year starter Thayer Munford at left tackle. Those are the givens, so as Offensive Line Week begins at Lettermen Row, it’s time to dig into the looming questions.

 

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[DaddyBigBucks]

Legit chance for 2 all-americans... I know Ohio State has had 2 actual all-americans on some past offensive lines

Outside chance at 3 all-americans... Don't know if they've had that at the end of any season but plenty of times we've thought so at the beginning

Some lines included Hicks, Schumacher, Myers... Others included Pace and Stringer...

Many of those past lines worked very well together.

Sure... Fine... Talk about what might happen I guess. At a place like Ohio State though, I think you have to say that everything has to go right for ANY collection of talent to become the best OL that the Buckeyes have ever had. I agree they have a ton of potential; but talk of all-time greatness is way premature IMHO.

 

[bukIpower]

Legit chance for 2 all-americans... I know Ohio State has had 2 actual all-americans on some past offensive lines

Outside chance at 3 all-americans... Don't know if they've had that at the end of any season but plenty of times we've thought so at the beginning

Some lines included Hicks, Schumacher, Myers... Others included Pace and Stringer...

Many of those past lines worked very well together.

Sure... Fine... Talk about what might happen I guess. At a place like Ohio State though, I think you have to say that everything has to go right for ANY collection of talent to become the best OL that the Buckeyes have ever had. I agree they have a ton of potential; but talk of all-time greatness is way premature IMHO.

Depends on what Harry Miller becomes... we know 3 are really really good and i think we expect NPF to be good too. If Harry is elite then I think the OL has the potential to be one of the best.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Depends on what Harry Miller becomes... we know 3 are really really good and i think we expect NPF to be good too. If Harry is elite then I think the OL has the potential to be one of the best.

I agree... "One of the best" is a much better way to put it in June.

 

[MGMT]

Depends on what Harry Miller becomes... we know 3 are really really good and i think we expect NPF to be good too. If Harry is elite then I think the OL has the potential to be one of the best.

I think Miller is going to be excellent; I’m not as high on NPf as others here. I’m happy to be wrong and perhaps he’s put the work and effort in this offseason to elevate his game. If last season was any indication I just see a mediocre starter in him. I think Paris Johnson Jr. will give him a serious run for that spot.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Sacks might have been a problem, but it clearly wasn’t one that did much to slow down the Ohio State offense.

Sure, when it comes to areas of improvement, finishing No. 12 in the Big Ten in sacks allowed jumps out as the most obvious issue that could be dramatically improved for the Buckeyes. Obviously it’s never ideal to have the quarterback on the ground or to give away yardage, and there’s no question that a unit with as much pride as the Ohio State offensive line will never be happy with even a single breakdown in pass protection.

But the Buckeyes also wouldn’t have been far and away the highest-scoring attack in the league without a dominant group up front. And there’s also not really any doubt that Ohio State was living up to the program’s high standards last season — and not all sacks are created equal.

The coverage downfield might be too good. The quarterback might occasionally hold on to the football for an extra second too long. The Buckeyes played a bunch of elite defenses last season, and they deserve credit for making plays as well. Sometimes even the design of a play can create a sack.

That’s not meant to create excuses for Ohio State finishing the season by allowing 35 of them. But it’s important context before diving into the film to see whether there were underlying issues or if it’s just nitpicking, especially with two new starters entering the lineup.

 

[bukIpower]

I think Miller is going to be excellent; I’m not as high on NPf as others here. I’m happy to be wrong and perhaps he’s put the work and effort in this offseason to elevate his game. If last season was any indication I just see a mediocre starter in him. I think Paris Johnson Jr. will give him a serious run for that spot.

Yeah so do I in regards to Parris... NPFs issue is he's just so lean.

I ran into NPFs issue in high school for example. In HS I was extremely strong so they moved me to offensive guard from a running back. I bulked up and did what I could for the season at guard but it was a very rude awakening.

Long story short I struggled. Badly. It's hard when you are naturally not a bigger person to try to move someone who is.

Wouldn't be shocked if Dwand Jones also makes a move because naturally he's just a bigger guy.

 

[MGMT]

Yeah so do I in regards to Parris... NPFs issue is he's just so lean.

I ran into NPFs issue in high school for example. In HS I was extremely strong so they moved me to offensive guard from a running back. I bulked up and did what I could for the season at guard but it was a very rude awakening.

Long story short I struggled. Badly. It's hard when you are naturally not a bigger person to try to move someone who is.

Wouldn't be shocked if Dwand Jones also makes a move because naturally he's just a bigger guy.

That’s a pretty drastic change. Mine wasn’t as pronounced but I was a phenomenal blocker on the perimeter as a wide receiver on the outside; I could block linebackers and defensive backs very well then I got moved to TE and couldn’t block defensive ends well at all. I could add strength well but I couldn’t add a lot of weight or bulk. Totally feel you.

Additionally, I’d say I’m higher on Dawand Jones than most too; I see a guy that can’t be bullrushed and can move essentially anyone backwards once he is fully engaged. The agility, technique and leverage will be the most important components for him becoming a plus player.

 

[bukIpower]

That’s a pretty drastic change. Mine wasn’t as pronounced but I was a phenomenal blocker on the perimeter as a wide receiver on the outside; I could block linebackers and defensive backs very well then I got moved to TE and couldn’t block defensive ends well at all. I could add strength well but I couldn’t add a lot of weight or bulk. Totally feel you.

Additionally, I’d say I’m higher on Dawand Jones than most too; I see a guy that can’t be bullrushed and can move essentially anyone backwards once he is fully engaged. The agility, technique and leverage will be the most important components for him becoming a plus player.

There's just no substitute for having weight coming naturally to a player at the LOS. Takes a different kind of strength like you said MGMT as we both found out lol

Dwand is very athletic too for someone of his size that's what we forget. If he can drop a little more weight he really will be a special player I think. He reminds me of the OT from the Oklahoma Sooners from a few years ago. Orlando Brown Jr.

 

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Birm: Buckeyes will rack up all major trophies

The best offensive line in college football will take home some serious hardware very soon, and Ohio State will win the Joe Moore award, the Rimington Trophy and the Outland Trophy. The Buckeyes are going to pull off the trifecta and win the Joe Moore Award for best offensive line group, which they arguably should have won last season, to become the sixth unit to earn that distinction. But wait, there’s more! The two undisputed stars of the Ohio State offensive line will bring home honors as well. Josh Myers will continue the run of Buckeyes centers earning the Rimington Award. And in an upset, Wyatt Davis will knock off Penei Sewell and bring home the Outland Trophy, too.

Just sayin': That is a BOLD prediction!!!

 

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BuckIQ: Ohio State has everything it could ever need on offensive line

Without being insanely greedy, there’s really nothing more Ohio State could ask for on the offensive line.

An All-American decided to return for another season at guard. A potential Rimington Trophy winner put off the NFL for another season. A multi-year starter is back to hold down the blind side at left tackle.

And, sure, there are two open jobs that the Buckeyes must fill. But there are former five-star prospects waiting to take over both spots — and a handful of other touted, versatile projects pushing from behind to bolster the depth.

Add it all up and it’s not hard to imagine Ohio State rolling out the best offensive line in America. And it might just become the best the program has ever seen.

“I have all the confidence in the world in any of those [new] guys getting in the game and playing,” Buckeyes center Josh Myers said. “I think we’ll be better because of that and because of the culture we instilled last season and the expectation. It became the expectation and not the exception.

“Anything short of us all grading out as champions and dominating was considered a failure.”

Entire article: https://lettermenrow.com/ohio-state...ootball-offensive-line-film-study-breakdowns/