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2018 tOSU Offense Discussion

SKULL SESSION: OHIO STATE'S PASSING IS MORE CONSERVATIVE, MICHAEL THOMAS' CATCH RATE, PARIS JOHNSON JR. BAKING


MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN EVER?
The Buckeye passing game has looked more lethal and prolific than it has since the 2014 national championship season – there's almost no arguing that.

But what if I told you, this is also the most conservative the passing game has been in five years?



Yes, it might not feel that way, but Ohio State took far more downfield shots with J.T. Barrett at the helm than it currently does with Dwayne Haskins, though I think you'd find a drastic difference in the percentage of times those passes were actually completed.

My hunch is this offense might take fewer downfield shots, but it's drastically more efficient on those downfield shots.

Also, I'm dying at the fact that every fourth pass Cardale Jones threw was 20+ yards downfield. What a ride that was.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...paris-johnson-amazing-amy-pie-for-urban-meyer


Sort of misleading.

Defenses have been playing a 1 high safety, take away the deep pass and stack the box vs run-make them stay patient and work their way down the field defense, for the better part of 5 years now.

These stats show me exactly what we know to be the case with our eyes. JT Barrett couldn't consistently do that (stay patient or be accurate enough with short passes to let them turn into big gains). he often was throwing into the coverage and often because it was 3rd and long. That is not exactly being "aggressive" in my book.

Haskins, so far, has shown that he will absolutely dissect a defense if they give him that same simple, easy to read, man coverage. His superior accuracy makes those type of completions more of a weapon because you have the athletes catching it in stride and doing damage. yards after completion would be a stat I'd like to see compared like the above if we ever could.

P.S.

Defensive coordinators are going to adjust soon. My guess is we see the same general pattern as when Dick LeBeau popularized zone blitzing to disrupt west coast offenses. Same principles apply; you can't just blitz a highly accurate passer and play man behind it, he will carve you up BUT pressure is the key because you can't just play zone and let him sit comfortably in the pocket. He will carve you up a different way.

If I were a DC, and this is where you have to have the horses to do it, my first option would obviously be to get pressure with my front 4 and mix coverage behind it. That being easier said than done, I would be stacking the box and sending LB's all day long to force Haskins to get rid of it quick (as well as disrupt the run) but playing a lot of varied zone looks behind it.

Who in CFB has the coaching and the players to do that really? Bama? Maybe Clemson? I don't see anyone in the B1G that can do it (unless we get the weather game that takes away passing for them).
 
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SKULL SESSION: OHIO STATE'S PASSING IS MORE CONSERVATIVE, MICHAEL THOMAS' CATCH RATE, PARIS JOHNSON JR. BAKING


MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN EVER?
The Buckeye passing game has looked more lethal and prolific than it has since the 2014 national championship season – there's almost no arguing that.

But what if I told you, this is also the most conservative the passing game has been in five years?



Yes, it might not feel that way, but Ohio State took far more downfield shots with J.T. Barrett at the helm than it currently does with Dwayne Haskins, though I think you'd find a drastic difference in the percentage of times those passes were actually completed.

My hunch is this offense might take fewer downfield shots, but it's drastically more efficient on those downfield shots.

Also, I'm dying at the fact that every fourth pass Cardale Jones threw was 20+ yards downfield. What a ride that was.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...paris-johnson-amazing-amy-pie-for-urban-meyer


Urban has said that they’re running a “take what the defense gives you offense this year”, so Jax is right on in his explanation. In my opinion however, that only explains part of it. With Haskins, the deep throws end the offensive possession a high percentage of the time. He only gets a few possessions a game, and I bet you’ll find a decent number have ended with the first deep throw attempted
 
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saw in the post-game stats that DH was 11-12 in the screen game last night. The one incompletion was Parris' drop early on, I believe?

With the run game being inconsistent much of the night, and PSU taking away the deep ball, I'm glad to see they finally made the adjustment when DH wasn't getting the time to survey the field and started getting the ball out of his hand quicker.
 
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Really need the coaches to evolve the offense. Too much talent to not be able to impose our will. Time to put the zone read in the rear view mirror..

I'm rewatching the first half and so far it looks like everytime the PSU defense gave up the numbers advantage, Haskins had them in a run play and it went for solid yardage.

I don't think the desire to see them impose their will is realistic. 5-6 guys can't impose their will on 6-7 guys.

The offense just needs to keep perfecting their execution of making defenses pay for having that numbers edge in the box.

Look at short passing yardage/YAC as running game yardage a la west coast offenses.
 
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Really need the coaches to evolve the offense. Too much talent to not be able to impose our will. Time to put the zone read in the rear view mirror..


yeah, the RPO stuff really isn't fooling anyone and proving difficult to play the numbers advantage game when you don't have a true running threat at QB. Teams just crash down and even when there is a crease, RB's are getting tripped up in the hole from behind.
 
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I'm rewatching the first half and so far it looks like everytime the PSU defense gave up the numbers advantage, Haskins had them in a run play and it went for solid yardage.

I don't think the desire to see them impose their will is realistic. 5-6 guys can't impose their will on 6-7 guys.

The offense just needs to keep perfecting their execution of making defenses pay for having that numbers edge in the box.

Look at short passing yardage/YAC as running game yardage a la west coast offenses.
So last year teams stacked the box and dared us to throw. This year they’re stacking it to dare us to run. I like the West coast style with our talent. Maybe we can’t impose our will with our current offensive line, but we should be able to dictate the play calling. I still would like to see us get away from the zone read, lateral runs and delay handoffs.
 
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So last year teams stacked the box and dared us to throw. This year they’re stacking it to dare us to run. I like the West coast style with our talent. Maybe we can’t impose our will with our current offensive line, but we should be able to dictate the play calling. I still would like to see us get away from the zone read, lateral runs and delay handoffs.

Yea this. Bring back the unbalanced looks with TE cleaning out the back end pursuit. The constraint on those unbalanced looks are screens and jet sweep -- the screens would fit in perfect with this WR group and Haskins.
 
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