2017 tOSU Defense Discussion

[MililaniBuckeye]

420 yards in a vacuum is the wrong way to look at it. That is just a counting stat, easily skewed by a high number of attempts.

They threw the ball 68 times. Look at the rate stat, i.e. Yards Per Attempt which tells you how good of a job they did every time they tried to throw.

IU 6.2
OSU 8.7


As a further point of reference, 6.2 YPA would have been good for 109th in the country last year as a team.

I know you like to get yourself worried about stuff. I would suggest worrying about OSU's passing offense more than pass defense.

Yep. Guaranteed that the YPA for IU in the second half was drastically different. Maybe I show go look that up...

EDIT:
Lagow played in the first seven of their eight 2nd-half possessions. Here is the passing breakdown per possession and cumulative 2nd-half stats:

1 for 2, 0 yards
3 for 3, 6 yards
6 for 8, 61 yards, TD
0 for 2, 0 yards
1 for 2, 9 yards
1 for 2, 12 yards
4 for 8, 44 yards, INT

16-27-1 (59.3%), 1 TD, 132 yards (4.9 YPA)

 

[Taosman]

Teams will score against this secondary. So, we'll just have to outscore them on offense.
We have to keep winning the turnover battle. It will make for some "exciting" games like the coming game with Oklahoma. But we won't be facing a Baker Mayfield every week!

 

[ScriptOhio]

SNAP COUNTS: 59 BUCKEYES SEE PLAYING TIME IN OHIO STATE'S SEASON OPENER AT INDIANA

DEFENSIVE ENDS

Nick Bosa: 62

Jalyn Holmes: 59

Sam Hubbard: 51

Tyquan Lewis: 48

Jonathon Cooper: 16

Chase Young: 13

It’s a bit notable that Bosa and Holmes saw the most playing time among Ohio State’s defensive ends, as Hubbard and Lewis started every game for the Buckeyes last year, but all four are listed as starters on the Buckeyes’ depth chart rotated in and out of the lineup regularly on Thursday. All four started Thursday’s game, as the Buckeyes opened the game with five defensive linemen on the field (Bosa, Holmes, Hubbard, Lewis and defensive tackle Dre’Mont Jones). The Buckeyes also put all four of their Rushmen on the field with their nickel defense in obvious passing situations.

Cooper and Young each saw occasional snaps with the first-team defense before playing the final six snaps of the game with the second-team defense.

See how many snaps each player played: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...-time-in-ohio-states-season-opener-at-indiana

 

[Jaxbuck]

Teams will score against this secondary. So, we'll just have to outscore them on offense.
We have to keep winning the turnover battle. It will make for some "exciting" games like the coming game with Oklahoma. But we won't be facing a Baker Mayfield every week!

Yes and no.

It's the same thing we have discussed the past few years, magic number is 40.

I forget the exact numbers (they are here somewhere) but when Meyer's OSU teams score 40+ it's game blouses. 30-39 and it gets somewhat uncomfortable. Less than 30 and it's a coin flip if they will even win.

Meyer teams are philosophically offense first and play defense with the lead endeavors. The opposite of the Marty Schottenheimer school of how-to-make-every-game-closer-than-it-needs-to-be coaching.

 

[martinss01]

Alright it just hit me... 400 yards passing? 400 fucking yards passing? I don't care how snug coverage was that's unacceptable.

why? we were down a whopping 14-13 at halftime. sure our super inexperienced cb's were getting beat by super talented experienced wr's making sports center plays of the week catches. but we had only given up 14 points to halftime. why not let them learn while they burn a bit no? you only get one first game as a college player. most of those kids had never been in a situation like that. let them feel the stress a bit so you can see how they react to it. you act like we were down by 80 in the first quarter.

Where was the time out to adjust? Why did it take 2 quarters to Adjust? Yeah the other team made plays but OUs QB just went 19 of 20 in the first half. Better adjust faster next game or Mayfield will have 300 by the half.

we could control iu's running game with just our front 7. maybe we can ou's as well? maybe we can't. given the choice, id rather my cb's get the chance to see things for the first time in their first game against iu when i know i can give them help when i choose to. or we can adjust immediately and let them see those things and feel that adversity for the first time against ou when maybe we can't send them help because ou has better players at other positions? those 400 yrds scare you, but they don't scare me. that experience will be absolutely invaluable to those kids. now they have seen it before, now they have felt it before and it was in a largely controlled environment where help could be sent "if absolutely necessary".

Just sayin': You can never hate any aspect of a team that wins the National Championship.

probably not hate, but without moc our offense as a whole was average at best. imo its just as disrespectful to a team to pretend they were something they were not regardless of what their achievements were.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

Teams will score against this secondary. So, we'll just have to outscore them on offense.
We have to keep winning the turnover battle. It will make for some "exciting" games like the coming game with Oklahoma. But we won't be facing a Baker Mayfield every week!

Will they have a choice? I'll take sub 20 yards rushing every week. You're right about Mayfield tho. We'll face QB's that have to play against defenses every week.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

It's the same thing we have discussed the past few years, magic number is 40.

I forget the exact numbers (they are here somewhere) but when Meyer's OSU teams score 40+ it's game blouses. 30-39 and it gets somewhat uncomfortable. Less than 30 and it's a coin flip if they will even win.

Here ya go:

40+ point games: 35-0
30-39 point games: 15-1
29- point games: 11-5

Meyer is 50-1 when we score 30 or more points, and even if we score only between 30-39 points we're still pretty much a lock to win. Scoring under 30 is not exactly a coin flip but we had just slightly over a 2-to-1 chance of winning.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Here ya go:

40+ point games: 35-0
30-39 point games: 15-1
29- point games: 11-5

Meyer is 50-1 when we score 30 or more points, and even if we score only between 30-39 points we're still pretty much a lock to win. Scoring under 30 is not exactly a coin flip but we had just slightly over a 2-to-1 chance of winning.

Thanks

Iirc we had the average MOV with those and that's what maybe had me thinking the 30-39 games were closer?

Not sure

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

 

[scarletngray]

Yep. Guaranteed that the YPA for IU in the second half was drastically different. Maybe I show go look that up...

EDIT:
Lagow played in the first seven of their eight 2nd-half possessions. Here is the passing breakdown per possession and cumulative 2nd-half stats:

1 for 2, 0 yards
3 for 3, 6 yards
6 for 8, 61 yards, TD
0 for 2, 0 yards
1 for 2, 9 yards
1 for 2, 12 yards
4 for 8, 44 yards, INT

16-27-1 (59.3%), 1 TD, 132 yards (4.9 YPA)

Thanks for sharing. The D really shut these guys down in the second half. Very encouraging stats going into the OU game.

 

[Taosman]

Our margin of error to make the Playoff might be really thin this year. Or not.
But I think winning our conference is a must. We failed badly last year and people will keep bringing it up until we win our conference.

 

[martinss01]

Our margin of error to make the Playoff might be really thin this year. Or not.
But I think winning our conference is a must. We failed badly last year and people will keep bringing it up until we win our conference.

the only reason we made the playoffs last year is because of urban meyers reputation and what the 2014 team did. we can argue psu and or other teams merits or lack there of to go in our place. but we didn't earn it last year. it kind of reminded me of 08 when we lost to illi in the second to last week of the year. sure everyone else figured out ways to be less deserving. but there is a big difference between "being deserving" and being "the least undeserving".

 

[RB07OSU]

Schiano's interview as absolutely perfect imo. Mentioned that IU made some tremendous plays and deserve credit, yet it is not acceptable as OSU to give up so many plays. Also, his synopsis of Ward was similar to mine...he made a ton of great plays out there, just needs to clean up some mistakes. You always remember the plays they didn't make but watching the game again, he made some great plays. Anyways, glad Schiano is the same type of no non-sense guy that UFM is, love it.

And PS, I think the DB's are going to be just fine. They will get more experience, come along and play the ball better in air. They are right there in coverage and play physical, so I truly do think everything will fall into place.

 

[ScriptOhio]

OHIO STATE'S INEXPERIENCED CORNERBACKS GOT A NECESSARY BAPTISM BY FIRE AGAINST INDIANA

Ohio State does not give up much yardage through the air.

The past three seasons, the Buckeyes have ranked in the top-15 nationally in pass defense, including the sixth-best pass defense just last season. So what happened Saturday is not something Buckeye fans are used to seeing.

The Indiana passing attack, led by quarterback Richard Legow and star receiver Simmie Cobbs, carved up the Buckeye secondary to the tune of 420 yards – more than double Ohio State's opponents' average over the last three seasons.

During the first half in particular, the Hoosiers picked on Ohio State's cornerbacks, two of which were making their Buckeye debuts with the first-team secondary after the departures of first-round picks Marshon Lattimore and Gareon Conley.

“We got off to a slow start in the secondary and they made some plays on us," defensive coordinator Greg Schiano said. "When you look at it, it was a group of guys that have played some, but haven’t started and haven’t been in that role.

Indiana tested the corners in one-on-one battles, winning many of them thanks to a combination of precision, quick-release passes and great catches by the receivers.

“We gave up three plays of plus 25 yards or more and we can’t do that," Schiano said. “This is Ohio State, that’s unacceptable."

It was a baptism by fire for the inexperienced corners, but head coach Urban Meyer said that's exactly what his team needed from a season opener – not the typical drubbing of an overmatched team.

"[It] gives our corners some humbling and obviously, get out and go," Meyer said. "I think to beat a team 70-0 right now is not what we need."

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...t-a-necessary-baptism-by-fire-against-indiana

 

[Taosman]

Schiano's interview as absolutely perfect imo. Mentioned that IU made some tremendous plays and deserve credit, yet it is not acceptable as OSU to give up so many plays. Also, his synopsis of Ward was similar to mine...he made a ton of great plays out there, just needs to clean up some mistakes. You always remember the plays they didn't make but watching the game again, he made some great plays. Anyways, glad Schiano is the same type of no non-sense guy that UFM is, love it.

And PS, I think the DB's are going to be just fine. They will get more experience, come along and play the ball better in air. They are right there in coverage and play physical, so I truly do think everything will fall into place.

It was a "baptism by fire" indeed! All the kids have talent, but they all need to get better skills.
Schiano is spot on.