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2016 tOSU Really Basic Defense Discussion

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IS OHIO STATE BECOMING A DEFENSIVE TEAM UNDER URBAN MEYER? KIND OF

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Remember when Urban Meyer-coached teams were known for their dynamic, high-powered offenses?

Those were the days.

For the better part of the last two seasons, however, Meyer’s teams at Ohio State have become more dominant — and consistent — on the other side of the ball. The Buckeyes’ defense has been among the best in the country.

Let's be clear here: The offense is still plenty good — Ohio State ranks 13th in the country in total offense at 501.7 yards per game — but the inconsistency, particularly in the passing game, slowed the Buckeyes down at times during the last two seasons.

Ohio State’s defense hasn’t really had such struggles as the Buckeyes did a complete overhaul following a poor 2013 season. They haven’t really looked back since.

This year, Ohio State ranks fifth in the country in total defense, allowing 278.4 yards per game. The Buckeyes are also fifth nationally in scoring defense, surrendering 14.4 points per game. Last season, Ohio State finished ninth in the country in total defense, allowing 311.3 yards per game and was second in scoring defense at just 15.1 points per game.

Those are numbers that illustrate a team built on defense.

To be a great team, a championship-level team, Meyer knows the Buckeyes need to play at a high level on both sides of the ball. In the loss to Penn State, Ohio State’s defense played well, but the offense did not. The Nittany Lions should get some credit for that, but a lot of the struggles fall on the Buckeyes.

If someone told you Penn State would have just 276 total yards (74 in the second half) and 13 first downs, that the Nittany Lions would go 2-for-13 on third down and quarterback Trace McSorley would complete just 8-of-23 pass attempts, and All-American running back Saquon Barkley would get just 12 carries for 99 yards, Ohio State would cruise to a win. That’s not usually a formula for success against the Buckeyes.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...ng-a-defensive-team-under-urban-meyer-kind-of
 
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ScriptOhio said:
If someone told you Penn State would have just 276 total yards (74 in the second half) and 13 first downs, that the Nittany Lions would go 2-for-13 on third down and quarterback Trace McSorley would complete just 8-of-23 pass attempts, and All-American running back Saquon Barkley would get just 12 carries for 99 yards, Ohio State would cruise to a win. That’s not usually a formula for success against the Buckeyes.
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OHIO STATE'S DEFENSE NOT QUITE FORCING TURNOVERS AT SAME RATE AS EARLIER IN THE SEASON

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Greg Schiano’s impact on the Ohio State defense could almost be felt immediately.

Over the last few weeks, however, that influence hasn’t necessarily disappeared, but it started to fade a bit.

The Buckeyes forced 11 turnovers in their first three games of the season. That was the Schiano effect. In the last five games, however, they’ve only forced five.

It’s still a solid number, of course, and Ohio State’s 16 turnovers gained is tied for 23rd in the country, but this was a team that through the first month of the season was turning teams over at an alarming rate. And not only were the Buckeyes forcing turnovers, they were turning them into points, as well.

Things have slowed down a bit, but perhaps there’s a reason for that.

“A big part of that is the way teams have been playing us,” Ohio State linebacker Chris Worley said. “When you’ve got guys out there making plays like that, a lot of teams are going to be a little more cautious about how they attack certain guys or how they may attack the defense in general."

“It’s just different, and it changes every week.”

The level of competition surely makes things more difficult, too, as the Buckeyes did most of their damage in the turnover department against the likes of Bowling Green and Tulsa in the nonconference. Once Big Ten play began, things became more difficult.

Ohio State hopes it can get back to its old ways.

“At the beginning of the season, nobody had film on us, nobody knew what our identity was,” linebacker Raekwon McMillan said. “But after a while, some good offensive-minded coaches are out there that can really exploit what you’re doing on defense.

“We’re very young but we worked through all the growing pains. During the season we’re still going to have more of them, but we’ve got to keep progressing.”

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...rnovers-at-same-rate-as-earlier-in-the-season
 
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Buckeye Breakdown: Leverage Versus the Slot Receiver
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Northwestern receiver Austin Carr torched the Buckeyes from the slot to the tune of 158 yards receiving on eight receptions last week. This week, Nebraska receiver Jordan Westerkamp threatens the hashes when the Buckeyes take on the Cornhuskers. What can Damon Webb and company do to slow down the Huskers' best receiver?

Defensive coordinator Luke Fickell suggested in a postgame interview there were some leverage issues to be worked out with Webb.

"There’s obviously things we had gameplan-wise to do it, with different leverages and other ways, with some zone coverage stuff to try to help ourselves on some of the meshes," he said. "But we’re still going to do what we do and we expect our guys and we expect us to be able to change up enough to give the some help when they need it.

"We’re not going to completely change what we do, but we do have to have a couple more ways just to make sure we can adjust things and take them away. But when it gets down to crunch time, ultimately you have to do what you do best. We’ve got to do a better job. We’ve got to be able to adjust and make some changes and change up some leverage points, but again, it’s all part of the game and that’s why you play it."
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Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...e-Breakdown-Leverage-Versus-the-Slot-Receiver
 
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Onebuckfan said:
We had a good scheme is a poor excuse...
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OK, OK, apples to oranges comparison here. I was in Fred Taylor's basketball coaching course back in the day. Indiana and Jimmy Rayl came into town averaging over 20 points a game and Fred put John Havlicek on him. Havlicek was on Rayl the whole game, contested every shot and Rayl still managed to score something like 30 or 40 points. So I asked him how Havelecik graded out. "One of the highest scores of any player I've had."

"But the guy got a lot of points."

"But that doesn't mean Havelicek wasn't doing his job."

So sometimes a good scheme can be beaten. This defense has been pressed by three good offenses with QBs and receivers playing extremely well. That doesn't mean the scheme, or the players, were bad.
 
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Don't know basketball well but in that scenario if there was a better option to guard that player but they continued to allow him to score then that's just not smart.

Bottom line is Conley and Lattimore are exponentially better then Webb/Arnette in coverage. Shame on us when we allow Westercamp to be lined up against our poorest coverage players.

We have better options to take away their best player so we better use it or I don't care what their pedigree is they're officially handicapped. Moreover you can match Westercamp up with Lattimore/Conley without sacrificing what we want to do defensively
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time being concerned about how our defense has played. We aren't in tight games because of defense. PSU was poor offense and special teams. NW, again lackluster offense. Give me our defense as-is this year and a good offense and we are steamrolling
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Pretty much how I see it

They have had one "bad" game all year. NW found a match up, exploited it for all it was worth and still scored what, 20 points?
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time being concerned about how our defense has played. We aren't in tight games because of defense. PSU was poor offense and special teams. NW, again lackluster offense. Give me our defense as-is this year and a good offense and we are steamrolling
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Jaxbuck said:
Pretty much how I see it

They have had one "bad" game all year. NW found a match up, exploited it for all it was worth and still scored what, 20 points?
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This guy disagrees, OSU is pretty basic...8D74160_h.jpg
 
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