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2016-2017 Ohio State Men's Basketball (Official Thread)

Ohio State basketball: Can shooting more 3s help Buckeyes turn season around?

Should Ohio State basketball start shooting more 3s?
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By Bill Landis, cleveland.com
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on January 17, 2017 at 9:30 AM, updated January 17, 2017 at 5:27 PM




COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Michigan State coach Tom Izzo, without being asked about it really, volunteered several times just how shocked he was that Ohio State shot 43 percent on 3-pointers in the Buckeyes' win over the Spartans on Sunday.

"I did not think they'd shoot like that to be honest with you," Izzo said. "They hadn't shown that all year. I wouldn't consider this a great shooting team. I did not think they'd do that."

Really, he can blame JaQuan Lyle.

Lyle made five of his seven 3-point attempts, setting a new career high in makes and matching his career high in attempts. It was surprising to see him go off like that. But should it have been?

"The 3-point shot is definitely in my bag. I got it," Lyle said.

He's at his best when he's using his 6-foot-5, 210-pound frame to get to the rim. When Lyle's got his jump shot working like he did against Michigan State, he's one of the toughest players to guard in the Big Ten. His 3-point shooting has seen a significant improvement this year.

Lyle's percentage on 3s is up more than 11 percent from 25.2 last year to 36.4 this year. In Big Ten play, he's shooting a robust 52.4 percent from deep.

The Buckeyes, who were stuck in a serious 11-for-62 3-point cold streak over a three-game stretch in December, have been 35 percent or better in three of their five Big Ten games.

Their shooting from deep made a huge difference in the win over Michigan State. Was that a one-time thing? Or should the Buckeyes start shooting more 3s? Watch the video here to hear Doug Lesmerises and Bill Landis discuss.

Some other thoughts on Ohio State's 3-point shooting:

* Shooting more 3s would be a serious deviation from what head coach Thad Matta and assistant coach Chris Jent seem to want from their offense. Ohio State averages 18.6 3-point attempts per game, the most since 2009-10. The Big Ten average is 21.2. The last time Jent was in charge of the offense, it shot 17.2 3s per game in 2012-13 and 15.3 in 2011-12.


https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/01/ohio_state_basketball_can_shoo.html
 
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Recent Sharp-shooter JaQuan Lyle is changing his game
Playing more under control and taking coaching is helping Buckeye point guard JaQuan Lyle become more dangerous from three-point range.

COLUMBUS – There were several factors that went into Ohio State's first Big Ten win of the season over Michigan State on Sunday.

The Buckeyes played with toughness fans had rarely seen this year. The players put an emphasis on collecting rebounds. Perhaps most importantly, players made big shots. Specially, three-point shots.

Throughout the 2016-17 season, OSU has struggled from three-point range. The Scarlet and Gray have made just 33.3 percent of their long-range shots, ranking them 12th of 14 conference teams.

But against the Spartans, that number jumped to 43.5 percent, as Ohio State made 10-of-23 three pointers.

OSU's biggest contributor to the three-point success on the afternoon was point guard JaQuan Lyle.

The 36.4 percent three-point shooter was 5-of-7 from behind the arc, easily his best shooting night of the season.

"My teammates were getting me open because we talked about all week watching the film that (Michigan State) helps off the nail," Lyle explained postgame. "And I was just floating away and my teammates were finding me. If it wasn’t for them making shots then I wouldn’t have been able to make them myself."

Lyle being open is one thing, but taking, and then making, those shots is another matter.

There have been plenty of instances this season where Lyle has been open behind the arc and passed up the open look in order to drive to the basket or given the ball to a teammate. Sometimes it works out, but more often than not it's just an opportunity for three points missed for the Buckeyes.


"JaQuan can be a mystery at times," head coach Thad Matta said. "Sometimes he does (shoot) in practice, sometimes I have to tell him to stop shooting. Other times we’re like, 'Why won’t you shoot that?'"

Matta would like Lyle to take the open shots when they're available, but admits a players has to feel comfortable in order to knock them down. Against MSU, Lyle was feeling it.

"Here’s the biggest thing I think from his performance on Sunday," Matta said, "he had great rhythm to his shot, his feet were set, he had great push and they were really, really good shots. As long as he’s taking those, I’m perfectly fine with it."

Over his last three games, Lyle is shooting 64.3 percent from three-point range. So what has changed for the career 30.8 percent player from behind the arc? He credits new assistant coach, Chris Jent.

"Coach Jent’s been on us a lot lately," Lyle explained. "He's got a new rule... If you expect to shoot threes in the game, you have to make 70 before you leave (the gym)."

Getting more practice, especially with the man who taught LeBron James to shoot, while seeing the ball go in the net at least 70 times per day is yielding results.


http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Arti...ll-boost-from-JaQuan-Lyle-shooting-t-50628743
 
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When the opposing coach says he's happy you won, it's time to fire your coach.
I knew that response was coming. I don't disagree we're at the end of the Thad Matta era but Izzo wasn't happy that OSU won the game. I believe he has genuine respect for Thad as a coach and understands the struggles he's facing. I believe he would like to see Thad competing at the highest level again just like the rest of us.
 
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I knew that response was coming. I don't disagree we're at the end of the Thad Matta era but Izzo wasn't happy that OSU won the game. I believe he has genuine respect for Thad as a coach and understands the struggles he's facing. I believe he would like to see Thad competing at the highest level again just like the rest of us.
It ain't happening. This is as poorly coached a team as I've seen in Columbus since Ayers was fired.
 
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It probably won't mean much in the end, but that non-call on the shot clock violation with about 2 minutes left vs Purdue stinks. They got 2 points, it wasn't reviewed, and replay showed the clock had expired. The Bucks lost by 1 point.

Sure, it may have played out differently had the score been waived off, but it was still 2 points they shouldn't have gotten late in the game. 3-3 in conference looks better than 2-4.
 
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It probably won't mean much in the end, but that non-call on the shot clock violation with about 2 minutes left vs Purdue stinks. They got 2 points, it wasn't reviewed, and replay showed the clock had expired. The Bucks lost by 1 point.

Sure, it may have played out differently had the score been waived off, but it was still 2 points they shouldn't have gotten late in the game. 3-3 in conference looks better than 2-4.


while we are doing this...the bucks are literally 3-4 possesions from being 15-4 (uva, fau and pur)....but alas they are not
 
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If they could just cut out half of the completely awful unforced mistakes, how much better would they be? Turnovers are going to happen, but some of the things they do are just incomprehensibly dumb. Eliminate 3-4 terrible turnovers, especially ones that lead to easy buckets at the other end, and you can easily be looking at a 10 point swing, if not more.

I just don't have much hope of that happening.
 
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If they could just cut out half of the completely awful unforced mistakes, how much better would they be? Turnovers are going to happen, but some of the things they do are just incomprehensibly dumb. Eliminate 3-4 terrible turnovers, especially ones that lead to easy buckets at the other end, and you can easily be looking at a 10 point swing, if not more.

I just don't have much hope of that happening.


agreed but i have to say this is def not one of the worst teams ive ever seen. i watched OSU trot out rick freaking yudt as its best player. lets not kid ourselves
 
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