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2016-2017 Ohio State Men's Basketball (Official Thread)

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TDunk said:
Matta arrived with the bravado of elite recruiter with a great coaching staff. Both the recruiting has dropped off and the staff has dipped a bit as well. But the turnover still seems to be there for whatever reason. There needs to be a system and Matta does not seem to have one firmly in place.
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This where I think Matta has true failed. If he could install a system which would cover the flaws or holes of his recruiting during off years, there wouldn't be so many up and downs in the program. Recruit for a system and if the star recruit comes, modify the system for that player. I really think it's an easier sell to a non-star recruit if they can see the role they would play year in and out.
 
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Jake said:
It's not so much that they're going to be stars, but when 5 or 6 guys leave in the same year it seems like a red flag. It's not like they were early entrants to the NBA draft or transferring to bigger, better basketball programs. If they weren't good enough, why were they even there? If they were, why did they leave?
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4 players: Mickey Mitchell was going to UCSB, but word is he will not be playing for them next year. (Not sure why).
A.J. Harris 5'8" to New Mexico State, can't shoot, mid-major guy, IMO.
Daniel Giddens (To Bama) big strong high energy guy, but a very awkward BBall player. Maybe Saban can use him?
Austin Grandstaff - The next Jon Diebler, yea, right. (To Oklahoma, but no he's changed his mind again... See MM above)
 
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Two of my buddies are the biggest X fans in the state of OH. When we got Thad, there couldn't have been happier. They made fun of him and told me we would be looking for a new coach in 5-7 years because he can't develop players. Now they make fun of me because I was the biggest Matta defender on the planet. Now I think his health issues, or something, has made OSU mediocre at best.
 
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It's tough to watch studs from in state go to the blue bloods and tear it up. Luke Kennard put up 29 last night at MSG. 5 of 7 from 3 and 11 of 16 overall. Recruiting Ohio successfully would be a start. Recruiting (and signing) players that other successful programs are going after would be nice as well.

Ohio State used to have success to sell to recruits but most of that has dwindled away. I checked the recruiting forum and the guys that are committed are guys that don't hold many, if any, good offers. OSU took Wesson away from Xavier, Iowa and Purdue. They took Beverly away from Ball State, Belmont, Cleveland State, Lehigh, Miami (OH), N. Kentucky, Samford, Tennessee Tech and Winthrop. They took Bazley away from Florida, Toledo, Purdue and St. Louis. Sure, you can check a committed players thread and find optimism and hope but it seems that after 4 years, those things never materialize any more. The guys currently on the team were more highly sought after players than the ones OSU is landing now and even those players are not living up to their billing for the most part.

Arch2H said:
4 players: Mickey Mitchell was going to UCSB, but word is he will not be playing for them next year. (Not sure why).
A.J. Harris 5'8" to New Mexico State, can't shoot, mid-major guy, IMO.
Daniel Giddens (To Bama) big strong high energy guy, but a very awkward BBall player. Maybe Saban can use him?
Austin Grandstaff - The next Jon Diebler, yea, right. (To Oklahoma, but no he's changed his mind again... See MM above)
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These guys are perfect examples of how recruiting has gone lately. High hopes, optimism. These guys were all guys that we would get excited about and they just don't pan out. As soon as they hit campus, they weren't who we thought they were and they've already had to find lower level landing spots. OSU isn't even in on these types of players now, it seems. Why did OSU recruit these guys to begin with? The talent evaluators and the development of talent seems to be severly lacking.

This is my sky is falling post that I needed to get out of my system.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
Ohio State used to have success to sell to recruits but most of that has dwindled away. I checked the recruiting forum and the guys that are committed are guys that don't hold many, if any, good offers. OSU took Wesson away from Xavier, Iowa and Purdue. They took Beverly away from Ball State, Belmont, Cleveland State, Lehigh, Miami (OH), N. Kentucky, Samford, Tennessee Tech and Winthrop. They took Bazley away from Florida, Toledo, Purdue and St. Louis. Sure, you can check a committed players thread and find optimism and hope but it seems that after 4 years, those things never materialize any more. The guys currently on the team were more highly sought after players than the ones OSU is landing now and even those players are not living up to their billing for the most part.
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I think this is one of the major reasons they have lost to lesser programs in recent years. They don't hold a huge physical advantage above these teams so these other teams don't have a hard time matching up with them. The Buckeyes aren't faster, stronger, taller, or have more length than a team like Florida Atlantic. The over all talent of these players might win out in the long run but that is on development and continuity. I don't think Marta can afford to loss anymore guys to transfers if he wants the program to progress.
 
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Hstead said:
Two of my buddies are the biggest X fans in the state of OH. When we got Thad, there couldn't have been happier. They made fun of him and told me we would be looking for a new coach in 5-7 years because he can't develop players. Now they make fun of me because I was the biggest Matta defender on the planet. Now I think his health issues, or something, has made OSU mediocre at best.
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That is BS. Xavier was mad as hell when Matta left that school and came to Ohio State.
 
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I noticed that many in this thread have pointed out problems with Matta's health most notably problems with his back I read an article a couple months ago regarding Matta and his back. He was much worse a couple seasons ago when he did have to be helped off the locker room floor, more than once, by a couple of his assistants in order to get up because of the pain. His back is much better now so that should not be a problem with regard to his recruiting and winning.

I think the one problem that Matta might have is that he is too loyal. Not only to his assistant coaches but to the senior players.

Even saying that, I will stick with Thad through thick and thin because of what he has brought to this University and all he has gone through to bring the basketball program back to respectability.

I might add that UConn and UCLA will pay dearly for what Florida Atlantic did to us last night:wink:
 
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I'll wait for UCONN and UCLA before completely giving up on Thad. If we win those two then FAU can maybe be considered a fluke loss. Unfortunately I don't know if going 1-1 in those games will be satisfactory at this point.
 
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OhioState001 said:
I'll wait for UCONN and UCLA before completely giving up on Thad. If we win those two then FAU can maybe be considered a fluke loss. Unfortunately I don't know if going 1-1 in those games will be satisfactory at this point.
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Uconn probably isn't a very good gauge. Unless they lose to Uconn, then it's really bad.

They beat Syracuse, but Syracuse doesnt seem to be very good themselves (They got beatdown by the 2 "good teams" they played Wisconsin and South Carolina) either way they are still a team that lost to Wagner (2-5) and Northeastern (4-5) and only beat Boston U (4-5) by 2 and Loyola Marymount (2-3) by 3.
 
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