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MililaniBuckeye said:
Five that everyone agrees upon (AP, UPI/coaches, BCS/playoff). I myself agree, like you do, with the school's total of eight (and seven since Woody's arrival) national titles because they include the NFF and FWAA awarded titles. That said, even including NFF and FWAA titles, Michigan still has only one (1997) since Woody's arrival in 1951, and only three since the polls started in 1936 (so eight of their 11 claimed national titles are the "retroactive" bull[Mark May] titles).
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Michigan claims a national title for 1947, even though Notre Dame won the AP poll that year (the UP/coaches poll did not start until 1950).

Here's the story: before 1968, the AP took its final poll before the bowl games were played. In 1947, Notre Dame and Michigan each finished the regular season with a perfect 9-0-0 record, but the Irish earned the top spot in the AP poll with 107 of 142 first place votes. Because the two teams were so close, many people suggested a "playoff" game between #1 Notre Dame and #2 Michigan to determine the true national champ. Of course, Michigan head coach Fritz Crisler had a huge yellow streak and he refused to play that game. Instead, Michigan went to the Rose Bowl and beat Southern Cal 49-0, while Notre Dame did not go to a bowl game. After the bowl game, the AP held an unofficial poll and the voters selected Michigan as the unofficial national champion by a count of 226 to 119. However, the AP's official 1947 poll is the one taken prior to the bowl games, and their official national champion for 1947 is Notre Dame. Based on that official AP poll, the NCAA recognizes Notre Dame as the sole national champion for 1947. LINK

So actually nine of the eleven national titles claimed by Michigan are bullshit.

By the way, the NCAA does recognize Ohio State's 1961 and 1970 national titles, so the score post-1951 is: Ohio State 7, Michigan 1
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
By the way, the NCAA does recognize Ohio State's 1961 and 1970 national titles, so the score post-1951 is: Ohio State 7, Michigan 1
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Meh. That's all fine and all, but what I like to see is that in those 64 years, I count 35 wins for Ohio State and 27 for Michigan. (2 ties)

Woody Hayes 16-11-1
Earle Bruce 5-4
John Cooper 2-10-1
Jim Tressel 9-1
Luke Fickell 0-1
Urban Meyer 3-0
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Five that everyone agrees upon (AP, UPI/coaches, BCS/playoff). I myself agree, like you do, with the school's total of eight (and seven since Woody's arrival) national titles because they include the NFF and FWAA awarded titles. That said, even including NFF and FWAA titles, Michigan still has only one (1997) since Woody's arrival in 1951, and only three since the polls started in 1936 (so eight of their 11 claimed national titles are the "retroactive" bull[Mark May] titles).
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I thought the NCAA regognises 8 and that's why we say 8. It's just espn that says 5. I would say that one of ours was bullshit because we got it before we lost a bowl game, but then I wonder how many other schools are claiming similar bullshit titles when they lost a bowl game an say fuck it, I'll take the 8.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I thought the NCAA regognises 8 and that's why we say 8. It's just espn that says 5. I would say that one of ours was bull[Mark May] because we got it before we lost a bowl game, but then I wonder how many other schools are claiming similar bull[Mark May] titles when they lost a bowl game an say fuck it, I'll take the 8.
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ESPN now says 6 since we won the playoff, but again ESPN was just counting UPI and UPI/coaches titles...not saying they're right. The NCAA is also recognizing all those "retroactive" national titles (see here) so unfortunately Michigan can "legitimately" claim 11 titles and Pitt can actually claim nine titles, even though eight of Michigan's titles and six of Pitt's titles came before any of the polls started.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
ESPN now says 6 since we won the playoff, but again ESPN was just counting UPI and UPI/coaches titles...not saying they're right. The NCAA is also recognizing all those "retroactive" national titles (see here) so unfortunately Michigan can "legitimately" claim 11 titles and Pitt can actually claim nine titles, even though eight of Michigan's titles and six of Pitt's titles came before any of the polls started.
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ESPN said we have 6 because we're OSU. They've never said Alabama had any fewer than the number they claim, even the ones that are pure bullshit, i.e., not recognized by the NCAA.
 
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Buckeye Maniac said:
ESPN said we have 6 because we're OSU. They've never said Alabama had any fewer than the number they claim, even the ones that are pure bull[Mark May], i.e., not recognized by the NCAA.
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How many national titles did ESPN say Alabama has? The NCAA says Alabama has 14, three of which (1925, 1936, and 1930) are "retroactive" non-poll titles. So if ESPN said Alabama had 11 titles, then they'd be following the same standard as they did for us.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
How many national titles did ESPN say Alabama has? The NCAA says Alabama has 14, three of which (1925, 1936, and 1930) are "retroactive" non-poll titles. So if ESPN said Alabama had 11 titles, then they'd be following the same standard as they did for us.
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Alabama claims at least 1 more than that. I can't find any links from espn listing their NC's, but I recall seeing on the ticker that they had 14.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Fine, split away

1997 = 1/2
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We had "split" titles in 1954 (AP) and 1957 (UPI), but I'll be God-damned if I count those as split titles. Michigan was recognized as national champions in 1997 by three (AP, NFF, FWAA) of the four recognized entities, so let them count it as a national title. You can refuse to accept it if you like, but they do have a valid national title that season. Sucks for them, though, that it's the only one they have since 1948...
 
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