2015 tOSU Defense Discussion

[Wham]

The D was gassed at that point. Nothing left in the tank. The O couldn't hold the ball long enough to give the D a break the entire game. Also. The 14 points we did get out of the O, came from turnovers created by the D giving the O short field scores. Else we would not have scored at all cause the O couldn't maintain a drive if their life depended on it.

Yes they were tired but that was not the reason they let them out of the 5 yard. The reason was the defensive lineup formation that was called and that was the theme all game. They simply lined up their front 7 better than us and that was the difference in a game where it was all about the front 7.

 

[Wham]

How many times did you see bosa or someone else holding on to finish the tackle while two other defenders standing there day dreaming as the RB gets 2 more yards and it's a 4 or 5 yard run instead of 1 or 2. How easy is it to get 3rd and 1 or 2 or even fourth and one against this defense? Under fickle, there is no swarming to the ball and there is no real fight for the short yardage plays as if they are taught let them have the first down and make sure we don't give up the big plays in that case. They have rallied occasionally but in a game of inches, those tendencies caught up with them.

 

[buckeyesin07]

How many times did you see bosa or someone else holding on to finish the tackle while two other defenders standing there day dreaming as the RB gets 2 more yards and it's a 4 or 5 yard run instead of 1 or 2. How easy is it to get 3rd and 1 or 2 or even fourth and one against this defense? Under fickle, there is no swarming to the ball and there is no real fight for the short yardage plays as if they are taught let them have the first down and make sure we don't give up the big plays in that case. They have rallied occasionally but in a game of inches, those tendencies caught up with them.

Good observation. In the MSU game, I was shocked at how many plays there were in which one of our defenders made the initial hit within the first yard or so and the MSU player pulled forward for a few yards or was pushed by one of his teammates for a few more yards. Over the course of a game, those 1-2 yard runs that turn into 4-6 yard runs start to add up.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If someone would've told you guys before the game that the defense was going to hold them to 17 points I'm pretty sure we would've taken it with great confidence we would win walking away

If you told me before the game that MSU wouldn't have Conner Cook and therefore would have to use the 90th best running attack in the country to win I would have bet the house on OSU.

If you added to it and said they would only pass one time in the second half I would have bet my life they couldn't beat OSU.

203 yards rushing and a physical ass beating later I'm glad I never got to make those bets.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

If you told me before the game that MSU wouldn't have Conner Cook and therefore would have to use the 90th best running attack in the country to win I would have bet the house on OSU.

It was hard to gauge how good or bad their running game was before Cook went down. If you had the best QB in your schools history, you are going to pass the ball lot. The running game was more to keep the defense honest until Cook could pass the ball some more. They were averaging around the mid to upper 30s in rushing attempts all year.

203 yards rushing and a physical ass beating later I'm glad I never got to make those bets.

In 2014 we gave up 370 Rushing yards to Navy (giving up only 17 points), 218 to Minnesota and 281 to Indiana and still won those games. This year we gave up 253 to Maryland and 195 to Penn State and still won those games.

 

[Jaxbuck]

It was hard to gauge how good or bad their running game was before Cook went down. If you had the best QB in your schools history, you are going to pass the ball lot. The running game was more to keep the defense honest until Cook could pass the ball some more. They were averaging around the mid to upper 30s in rushing attempts all year.

Sparty runs on 55.5% of their plays in 2015. That's good for top 40 in the country.

Soooo 38th in the country in calling runs (they call a lot of running plays)
90th in the country in yards per carry (they don't get much out of those running plays)

Then all of a sudden they are '95 Nebraska against the OSU defense and you don't think there is anything at all to it because of how many yards Navy ran for in 2014?

Got it.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Then all of a sudden they are '95 Nebraska against the OSU defense and you don't think there is anything at all to it because of how many yards Navy ran for in 2014?

The point is we can give up 370 rushing yards to a team and still win. We can give up 253 rushing yards to a team and still win. We did not lose because they ran for 203 yards. We lost because we could not sustain drives long enough to get some field goals or at least drain the clock and play for OT.

By the way 95 Nebraska averaged 366 yards rushing. A little bit over 203 yards.

Got it.

Thanks. I am glad I got through to you.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The point is we can give up 370 rushing yards to a team and still win. We can give up 253 rushing yards to a team and still win. We did not lose because they ran for 203 yards. We lost because we could not sustain drives long enough to get some field goals or at least drain the clock and play for OT.

By the way 95 Nebraska averaged 366 yards rushing. A little bit over 203 yards.

Thanks. I am glad I got through to you.

 

[Jagdaddy]

Sparty runs on 55.5% of their plays in 2015. That's good for top 40 in the country.

Soooo 38th in the country in calling runs (they call a lot of running plays)
90th in the country in yards per carry (they don't get much out of those running plays)

Then all of a sudden they are '95 Nebraska against the OSU defense and you don't think there is anything at all to it because of how many yards Navy ran for in 2014?

Got it.

I'll repeat what I posted earlier:

"That said, the D is built primarily to rush the passer, force quick three and outs, force turnovers, and play from ahead. They're not really built to defend smash mouth Tressel ball for an entire game because the offense is expected to both possess the ball with power spread running and score enough to force the other team to throw. We've known that you sacrifice some stoutness against the run with that approach unless you have extraordinary DTs, and that's the one area of recruiting that hasn't quite been there. So. I blame the coaches some, but still give the lion's share of the blame to the offensive staff and players."

To elaborate a bit further, we wanted, and Meyer and his staff built, an SEC-style defense that's predicated on generating negative plays through pass rush, forcing turnovers, and playing a fair amount of pres coverage in order to match up against good passing attacks and win big bowl games in warm weather climes (worked pretty well last year). Doing that requires quick athletic DL and to some extent LBs who can be worn down by Tressel ball, and Meyer's defenses have consistently given up quite a few rushing yards as a result. Normally, that's not really a problem because the power-spread run offense, especially when run up-tempo, scores too many points to allow an opponent to win solely by slow grinding on the ground. But an offensive shit show makes the Tresselball approach workable. So, some of the defensive weakness against MSU was a systemic flaw, and a choice to pick a poison that's generally worked out well. That said, under unusual circumstances like those on Saturday, adjustments should have been made to create confusion and sell out more against the run, and failure to day so was a problem.

 

[Bestbuck36]

I really thought that as soon as Cook was declared out, I would have seen the Buckeye defense is full on attack mode. Not the case unfortunately.

 

[buckeyebri]

I really thought that as soon as Cook was declared out, I would have seen the Buckeye defense is full on attack mode. Not the case unfortunately.

right, run blitz, bring the safeties into the box like everyone does to us but noooooooooooo......

 

[kujirakira]

I'll repeat what I posted earlier:

"That said, the D is built primarily to rush the passer, force quick three and outs, force turnovers, and play from ahead. They're not really built to defend smash mouth Tressel ball for an entire game because the offense is expected to both possess the ball with power spread running and score enough to force the other team to throw. We've known that you sacrifice some stoutness against the run with that approach unless you have extraordinary DTs, and that's the one area of recruiting that hasn't quite been there. So. I blame the coaches some, but still give the lion's share of the blame to the offensive staff and players."

To elaborate a bit further, we wanted, and Meyer and his staff built, an SEC-style defense that's predicated on generating negative plays through pass rush, forcing turnovers, and playing a fair amount of pres coverage in order to match up against good passing attacks and win big bowl games in warm weather climes (worked pretty well last year). Doing that requires quick athletic DL and to some extent LBs who can be worn down by Tressel ball, and Meyer's defenses have consistently given up quite a few rushing yards as a result. Normally, that's not really a problem because the power-spread run offense, especially when run up-tempo, scores too many points to allow an opponent to win solely by slow grinding on the ground. But an offensive [Mark May] show makes the Tresselball approach workable. So, some of the defensive weakness against MSU was a systemic flaw, and a choice to pick a poison that's generally worked out well. That said, under unusual circumstances like those on Saturday, adjustments should have been made to create confusion and sell out more against the run, and failure to day so was a problem.

Everything I've been thinking but put much more succinctly. Urban's defense is technically undersized, just like the one we never played against in 2006/07.

 

[bukIpower]

I really thought that as soon as Cook was declared out, I would have seen the Buckeye defense is full on attack mode. Not the case unfortunately.

I thought the game was in hand at that point. Just thought there's no way we don't stack the box.


FUCK. ...

 

[scarletngray]

Tackle and wrap up on contact. No YAC. Back to basics boys.

 

[ScriptOhio]

VONN BELL, TYVIS POWELL COMBINE TO MAKE ONE OF MOST SUCCESSFUL SAFETY TANDEMS IN RECENT OHIO STATE HISTORY

When Urban Meyer stepped to the podium to speak to the media for only the second time since learning his No. 7 Ohio State Buckeyes would take on No. 8 Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl New Year's Day, he opened the floor for questions.

A reporter quickly prompted Meyer with the concept of a potential "mass exodus" from the program upon the completion of the 2015 season — with so many talented NFL Draft-eligible players coupled with one of the most successful senior classes in program history, the Buckeyes face an imminent roster turnover.

"The focus is on this bowl game," Meyer said Thursday, at first deflecting a question about how many non-seniors could turn pro after the Buckeyes and Irish meet in Glendale, Arizona.

Then, Ohio State's head coach delved a bit into how he plans to break up bowl practices, trying to balance getting those starters that are likely around for just one last hurrah ready for the game while also preparing the younger players for their shot in 2016.

"There's a group of young players, the Malik Hookers and Isaiah Princes of the world, Jerome Bakers, that are going to be heavily counted upon next year," Meyer said.

Prince is set to replace Chase Farris at right tackle. Baker will likely step in for Joshua Perry or Darron Lee at outside linebacker, provided the latter turns pro. But Hooker, he is a strong candidate to be the guy filling the shoes of one of the most successful safeties Ohio State has ever seen don the scarlet and gray: Vonn Bell.

"Me and Mike Doss have a little saying," Bell said Thursday. "I feel like I’m one of the best safeties to ever come out of here, that’s my little comment to him. I guess I’ll try to look back on it, but I’ve got to do my homework on that, too."

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...most-successful-safety-tandems-in-recent-ohio